falkor « 07 Mar 2010 12:06 pm » okay well thanks again my friend, a lot of people were invited and a lot of people didn't want to know so - I do appreciate it, thanks again
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 12:03 pm » haha just to update the chat a little I asked slabber about http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/ which he recommends, is that right slab?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 12:02 pm » No chance!!!!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 12:01 pm » cheers slab and if you ever get bored - just pop the question to her online! that should liven things up
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 12:01 pm » Not a problem, her indoors is have a moan that I've been on long enough, she can make me a cuppa to ease my poor fingers!! catch you later.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:59 am » well I would like to thank you for spending the last 60 minutes with me chatting over various NT and T.O related issues, it has been a pleasure, thanks indeed for coming along slab
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:59 am » I feel that they would be asked, it wouldn't be thrust upon them if they don't feel confident. It would be a recipe for disaster. The facebook groups seem reasonably quiet. They have good member numbers just not a lot of people posting regular
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:57 am » seems we're singing from the same hymn sheet on that one slab what's happening on the HATO groups on facebook? are they any good?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:57 am » I've worked on my own in many jobs and feel confident enough to single crew
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:56 am » exactly!! the idea will be you have to wait for a second patrol to turn up, what's the point in that, if it's a double crew, they can crack on with the job in hand.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:56 am » " granted there are TOs who wouldn't do it" would they have a choice then slab?
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:55 am » well you said "the motorway can be unforgiving if you take your eye of the ball." who is going to watch your back if you're single crewed?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:54 am » I don't think it will work, as it will create "elitism" amongst the lads, granted there are TOs who wouldn't do it, and some who shouldn't!!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:52 am » fair comment, isn't this variable crewing going to create a division in T.Os? one half will be deemed suitable to go variable crewing, the other half won't! you will have 'trusted' and 'non-trusted' workforce won't you?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:51 am » Not providing you stay alert and watch each others backs, the motorway can be unforgiving if you take your eye of the ball.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:51 am » is it a dangerous job?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:50 am » I fully intend on staying tiil I retiire unless a 44 tone LGV has other ideas!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:50 am » slab you sound like a veteran T.O for sure, are you in it for the long haul?
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:49 am » what does she base that on ? sheesh!
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:49 am » I spotted that on one of the many forums I frequent, the wife reckons I use the computer too much!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:48 am » yeah I saw that zebra crossing clip that you posted from BBC, the interesting thing about that was that 3 Police solos guided that zebra to the central crash barrier and MET POLICE have always steadfastly insisted that the motorway is no place for solos! beautiful clip though, loved it, great commentary too
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:48 am » There's only one slabbers, the rest are just pale imitations.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:47 am » yeah shame we don't hear much from Vic now and it looks like somebody has now kicked off a rival bar!! what's going on slab?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:46 am » It was a dead end job, I only used it to find my feet in civvie street before moving onto better things, are you on about the rowdy bar? I mentioned to Vic Mackay about an area to let off steam where almost anything goes, similar to the NAAFI bar over on the army rumour service website. State 11 was born along with my delightful premises.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:44 am » I think you are the only member on the site to have an actual forum in your name, how did that happen?
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:43 am » I worked as a security guard in Croydon's "CUSTODIAN SECURITY" and was proud to get made security sergeant after a few months, loved that job
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:42 am » We shadowed with 3 different forces during our training, granted it was 100's of miles from where we actually work but it gave us a taster as to what they do. I worked as a security guard on a building site when I first left the army. It was lowly paid, but I was single with no outgoings so it was beer tokens.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:40 am » you said "I would, I've worked 5x14 hour shifts in a week, every week in one of my previous jobs!" are you able to say what the previous job was slab?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:40 am » I wouldn't thinks so, as we don't have blues and twos and we're not allowed to speed. Plus if we end up nicking someone the TOV is going to be off road whilst the DP is processed.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:40 am » I have never heard of T.Os working a shift with BiB - really positive move by your TM, they should really get acknowledgement there
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:38 am » fantastic gotta say - here would there be any benefit in doing it the other way around? a BiB on shadowing duties on a TOV?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:37 am » Our police do 10 hour shifts, some of the guys have been out 2 or 3 times, I actually enjoyed the duty, it was a refreshing change, as you know, a change is as good as a rest.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:35 am » so you've all been out at least once, that means that some have been out more than once, isthis for an entire 8 hour shift with BiB?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:34 am » It's been going on since we started, she's very good with stakeholder liaison
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:33 am » jolly good idea, never heard of this before, never read of this on NT, how long has this TM been organising this, he should get a medal
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:32 am » I don't know, I've never seen one. We've all been out at least once in my county. We don't get involved with the police work side of things, but we're invaluable at RTC jobs as they can leave us to get on with traffic management whilst they deal with the job in hand.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:31 am » T.Os go on patrol with Police in Police Vehicles? jesus! is there a thread on this?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:30 am » We go on patrol with the police in their vehicles, fully kitted up with personal radio so we can respond to jobs on either radio network.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:29 am » shadowing duties? please clarify
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:28 am » We have a pretty good relationship with our local 5-0, it was a little frosty to start with, but as the service has matured and we've shown them what we can do, they've mellowed. Plus our stakeholder TM has worked hard getting shadowing duties organised so when we turn up at jobs it's more first name terms now which is only a good thing
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:26 am » ok moving on to real life is there a rapport between T.Os and Police where you are?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:25 am » They have a download section where various forms etc are loaded to for reference purposes, we already have them as links at the top of the forum whereas over there, they are all located under the same section
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:23 am » possibly but apart from the medal ribbons and shields ..... any other stuff they have that would be good on here?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:23 am » I don't know if he was the same black rat that used to post on here when I first joined all those many moons ago.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:22 am » I have a feeling that I met the guy who runs ukpoliceonline on a course in Banstead a few years back (1999) he was the instructor I was a student! since then we have emailed each other a few times and he remembers me well, not only from the course but operationally
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:21 am » They quite like the system, we all have black/yellow chequered medal ribbons to show we are serving HATOs, we also get "Resident HATO" status which allows us more PM space, a private area away from prying eyes and the facility to upload more photos and files etc unlike regular members, the serving police officers also have their own private area.
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:17 am » hmmm what do the other 2 muskerhatos say about these medal ribbons and karma shields? have they commented on them?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:17 am » They have an awards system that awards medal ribbons, whereas we have stars, they also have karma shields, so the more you post good topics and get involved with the site the more shields you get. I currently have 4 out of the maximum 5!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:14 am » what has ukpoliceonline got that we haven't got? talking forums facilities here
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:14 am » It's still ticking along nicely, there are 3 main HATOs on there geeing them up or the 3 Muskerhatos as we call ourselves!! We have a good laugh over there, but we always come "home"
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:13 am » what's happening on ukpoliceonline lately? at one point they had superior smilies to us didn't they?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:12 am » Our instructor in basic training referred to it as the slab and it kinda stuck!! I've had a look round the back up site, everything appears to be in order. You also know I also frequent a number of your other forums, I know, I oughta get out more!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:10 am » so did you check out the back up site? its actually bolted onto the prison officer site!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:10 am » the slang for the motorway is the slab, no I can't say I knew that but heeeey COOOL
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:09 am » I provided the tie pin company with 4 different angles of all 3 patrol vehicles, the preferred the disco saying it looked the most substantive so they went with that. What is a slabber? as you know, the slang for the motorway is the slab, so as I wander up and down day in day out, I'm the slabber!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:07 am » yeah I read that, wait a minute, "slabber" ! slabber? what is slabber anyway?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:06 am » The next one, although still the disco will have gold backing instead of the current silver
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:06 am » nice one so I just saw an image of one, does look prestine I have to say, very cool
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:06 am » The CSBF were offered them but turned them down. They obviously didn't realise how popular they'd become. I received an email from them saying they don't do tie pins as they got stung on the last one. Their loss over 200 sales and still climbing
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:05 am » very nice although it would be great to have two versions
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:04 am » the chief himself that should read!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:04 am » the chief! sheeesh and the CSBF are interested in them I heard
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:04 am » They sure are, the chiehimself has one now!!
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:03 am » and are T.O.s wearing them?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:03 am » only if it's a disco pin, however they've been sold across 5 different forums so they could be from any of them sites;)
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:02 am » ok here slab are there tie pins circulating outstations that could be associated with NT? going rate on ebay £12.50?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:01 am » Not too sure, i'm off for 4 days so i'll find out all the juicy goss when I get back
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:01 am » what's the latest?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 11:01 am » I'm fine thanks
falkor « 07 Mar 2010 11:00 am » hiya Slab, how you doing?
slabber « 07 Mar 2010 10:59 am » Morning!!!
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 07:17 pm » ummmm just an update on a few things talked about earlier on today: I mentioned http://www.blitzcoder.com the site I went to in 2003 where I first saw forums in action, sadly those forums no longer exist and were taken down a few years back - the other sites mentioned were http://policecommunitysupportofficer.com/ http://www.ufoforums.co.uk/ http://national-ambulance.com/ and http://prisonofficer.org.uk/index.php thanks to Off Network and Haywain for taking part and in a very lively and cheerful AJAX CHAT SESSION today, it was a pleasure for sure
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:53 am » Snap - go safe. Bye
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:52 am » Good talking but I must go - local farmer's Market calling for my attention!
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:52 am » Sunday fry up is ready so I will have to go. Good talking to you.
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:52 am » Aye
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:51 am » Something to look forward to.
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:50 am » I know the feeling - but he has promised to visit every outstation in time
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:49 am » Me neither but I do not invited to that kind of do!
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:47 am » Never met him - next one will have to be Simon Chelden-thingy
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:47 am » LOL
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:46 am » I will look forward to his next appearance and see if he is wearing it
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:45 am » Presented in East region apparently
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:45 am » I think he has one
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:44 am » May be Graham will come to look and realise it is a good thing
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:43 am » I have a tie pin - but confess not to wearing
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:42 am » should be - HA not brought into
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:42 am » I ruffle enough feathers without NT being laid at my door! As long as the HA is brough into disrepute or anything official is directly copied though, I think they would struggle to make anything stick
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:41 am » That seems to be the norm. The tie pins have caused some questions to be asked
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:40 am » Not sure - hasn't been mentioned for ages. However I'd prefer to stay incognito
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:38 am » H do you still have a Stormtrooper problem or have TPTB eased off
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:37 am » Nice talking and thanks for everything.
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:37 am » Cheerio
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:36 am » cheers e bye - I have a precocious daughter stamping her feet
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:36 am » Was run run by a TO, who was told to desist or get out
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:36 am » yeah I guess so, "HATOs on line" ?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:35 am » Luck to find you Falk - as you're aware previous attempts had been stamped on
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:34 am » What ever happened to "HATOs on line"
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:31 am » well similar to the thing with The Wanderer, TW was on PCSO.com and eventually it transpired that there was no Tos site - NT was born
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:30 am » How did you get the Prison Officers to start talking?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:29 am » well there are 3 main sites TBH, NT, prison officer and PCSOs, those are the 3 big ones plus a couple more small forums natn ambo and UFOs
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:28 am » How many do you run?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:27 am » yeah it does for sure so it pretty much a hobby, phpBB.com provide superb support and so does Balckfoot, between them, they make it so I have somebody to run to 24/7
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:26 am » But it must take an amazing number of hours to keep it running
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:25 am » it all started when I found a Blitzcoder forum back in 2003, I loved it and loved the fact that it had zero advertising, ok there is not zero ads on here but pretty close, that's what motivated me after seeing what Blitzcoders did for Blitz users
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:24 am » Ahah - a reverse interview - come on falk!
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:24 am » What motivates you to provide this - and other excellent sites?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:22 am » hehe well you have to keep warm, what else is there to talk about ON?
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:22 am » They got issued (on request) they keep your head and ears warm. Official looking_no way
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:21 am » Definitely only nightwear, they look ridiculous but do the job - very cosy
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:19 am » so Gortex Ice Hats? how did you get one? what do they look like? are they official?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:19 am » I carry one in my bag but not on my belt
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:18 am » Haywain do you go for that?
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:18 am » Yep, providing its less than 4 inches and does not lock
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:17 am » well I still think single crewing is wrong, almost as bad as not getting double pay on Christmas Day which is taking the piss wholesale but ON would you recommend other TOs carry a leatherman? is it legal to do so?
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:17 am » Thats the truth
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:16 am » With some TOs you spend more time worrying about them than thinking of your own safety
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:15 am » one T.O instead of 2, my goodness that saves 50% of costs
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:15 am » not sure that should be the driver Falk
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:15 am » But the downside is that no one is watching your back
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:14 am » and it'sway way cheaper
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:14 am » A plus point is you only have to worry about your own safety
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:14 am » see that is an example of where variable crrwing would be good
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:14 am » That kept me laughing for hours
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:13 am » I saw that YOUTUBE clip that you posted on the pigs that got loose on the M11, I was glad to see there was no clue as to any injured pigs - the escaped ones looked in fine feckle
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:13 am » Yes, there are plenty of jobs where an experienced single crew would be quite capable of dealing. BDVs, slip closures etc. It would involve a complete rewrite of procedures.
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:12 am » everyone except you H on single crewing I mean variable crewing HAHA it will need a complete rewrite of the TO manual and the associated risk assessments first right?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:10 am » For everyone ON?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:10 am » really?
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:10 am » Bring it on.
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:09 am » ok Off Network what do you think about single crewing I mean variable crewing
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:09 am » The job is pretty much as advertised and as we already have a pretty good Police FORCE I cannot see us being pushed into a role which many of us would not be suited.
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:07 am » moving onto greater things? such as?
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:07 am » That many people joined with the expectation of moving onto greater things!
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:07 am » Never any mention of side arms though - shame
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:04 am » what strikes you about the good old days of NT where every second thread involved blue lights, stabbies, batons, arrest powers and all the other stuff we were never going to need in the role that HA had mapped out for us?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:04 am » hahah love it, The Wanderer! noce going, without him this site would not be here
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:03 am » I was looking round for public opinion and comments!
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:03 am » I heard about NT from the Wanderer
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:02 am » reported it, impressed with the H & S guy, he was 10/10
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:02 am » Ouch - compensation?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:02 am » so how did you wind up on NT in the first place? this is going back to 2007
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:01 am » part of the station tore off and walloped me across the head as I was taking official action - JEEES it hurt
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:01 am » Good morning Haywain
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 11:01 am » Lots of these infections going round. Sorry to hear about the injury, how did that happen.
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 11:00 am » question to you BOTH!!! how did you wind up on NT in the first place? this is going back to 2007
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 11:00 am » Morning
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:59 am » I have had quitea lot to contend with lately, terrible chest infection then I got injured at work
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 10:58 am » pretty good thanks and yourself?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:57 am » welcome Off Network, how are you today?
Off Network « 06 Mar 2010 10:57 am » And it's good morning from me
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:56 am » may your motorways be sunny and bright always with all three lanes running free and Off Network is next
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:54 am » Who's next?
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:53 am » you are a gentleman and a scholar
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:53 am » Thank You Falk - always a pleasure
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:52 am » ummmm Haywain I would like to thank you for coming onto the AJAX chat section and having a great q/a session!! thank you so much, it's been great
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:52 am » Doubt we'll shrink - but I wonder if long term we could end up working under the MACs. Then eventaully our situation would degrade
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:50 am » yeah that is reasonable in today's climate (as long as it stays around that) amazing to see so many T.Os concerned about redundancies in the poll don't you think?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:50 am » Roughly that
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:49 am » sheesh you're making it worse what are TOs on lately is it £20000?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:49 am » No - that's shocking. But MPs get another £1,000 o)
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:48 am » H did you know that HMP are now starting new prison officers on £15000 gross? £15000!!
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:48 am » Remember I'm ex Army - same pay every day, peace or war.
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:47 am » it is made clear at recruitment BUT IT IS STILL so wrong staff should get double time on Christmas Day, I can't get over that
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:46 am » Yes - but that's one thing that is made clear in recruitment. If Shift allowance was increased that would be less of an issue
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:45 am » come on H working Christmas Day at basic rate is TAKING THE PISS WHOLESALE
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:44 am » Umm - can't remember off the cuff. What does need looking at is the shift allowance - very low compared to some
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:43 am » which is?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:43 am » Just a pipedream at the mo. But would equate to bottom, middle and max of existing scale
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:42 am » Probationer, Established and Experienced, what are the actual pay figures for those pay bands H?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:42 am » I keep forgetting to watch
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:41 am » ooooooo H you git you, NOW YOU'RE TALKING, me and you both, here have you copped Motorway Patrol on Bravo yet?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:41 am » Africa is a bit spoilt at the moment
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:41 am » Er - no. Was thinking more of NZ, Oz or Canada
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:40 am » Uganda?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:40 am » sadly with the current state of Britain, one of our former colonies
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:39 am » No one stands out
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:39 am » so true and Where would you rather be?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:38 am » Vast majority of our customers are very pleased to see us and there's very little follow up, so the bad incidents can be put aside
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:38 am » anybody you helped lately?
Haywain « 06 Mar 2010 10:37 am » If you ignore the politics, you can always go home with a warm feeling knowing you've helped someone
falkor « 06 Mar 2010 10:36 am » yeah a great lump of British workmanship for you, looks
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