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Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by THFC » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:41 pm

At last...

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by DarkKnight » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:14 pm

It's not the SUN I'm following, its the video. It wouldn't matter if it where a borad sheet paper or BBC News 24, the video is the same. I might have found the article in another paper, it may very well have been published in several others but it just so happens it was the SUN I found it in and I agree its a crappy tabloid, I wouldn't have formed the opinion lightly from them if it wasn't for the video.

If its being investigated further then fair enough !

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by ruben » Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:12 am

DarkKnight wrote:So the police of all people should be setting a good example by not allowing their employees to get away with such disgusting behaviour.
come on! like several other people and myself have already said, you are taking the sun newspaper article as gospel. it is nothing better than toilet paper

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by THFC » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:29 pm

Do you not listen? It is now in the hands of PSD who will carry out another investigation and there will be another hearing so the matter is still being dealt with.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by DarkKnight » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:27 pm

No I'm a citizen so I would expect more from the police, on or off duty ! and since I work the doors I can sympathise with the victim. Why shouldn't I compare ??? if I would be out of a career for such behaviour then wouldn't you expect more from the police ?

One rule for one and a different rule for the other is what this case implies.

Sad but true, aint no way I would have got off. I would have had my licence revoked (and therefor my right to earn a living) quicker than you could say ouch ! So the police of all people should be setting a good example by not allowing their employees to get away with such disgusting behaviour.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by THFC » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:20 pm

DarkKnight wrote:Oh not that I have to explain my editing but that was due to spelling mistakes as it was such a long winded post.
Not sure how that explains the extra paragraph, but you are right - back to topic.

As your title says "Thug PC keeps job" but the truth is he has only been dealt with by the courts so far and now has to undergo investigation by PSD and no-one knows what the result of that will be until disciplinary procedures are over.

And DK, please stop comparing what would happen to you if you did this and that wth what would happen to a Police Officer, you are not a cop so I don't see how you can compare the two.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by DarkKnight » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:07 pm

THFC wrote:Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

The Scum uses the word "bouncer", I know "bouncers" who use the word "bouncer" - it is just that, a word. If DK sees it as a derogatory term, that is his problem, not mine. as I said in an earlier post, I have also met the odd decent one so I have never said that the are all "brainless knuckle draggging thugs".

And JEA, I have no idea how racism got into this.

Since I submitted this post I see that DK has edited his post to make various comments about me making out he is a criminal. I have never met him but I can think of plenty licensed security companys owned and run by thugs and gangsters so I don't see that the SIA has made any difference at all.

Its not a problem, I just don't like the stereotype. Simple !
Oh and my experience with most Police is that I have been treated like and idiot thug but I don't let that make me think that all police are like that, I know its the minority as you get a few bad apples in every job :??:

Oh not that I have to explain my editing but that was due to spelling mistakes as it was such a long winded post.

THFC your right there are plenty of licenced security companys owned by gangsters, the SIA where never going to go knocking in all those doors, the legislation was brought in so the Police had a reason to start shuting these companies down so all you need is one representative from the SIA. Why is there not much being done ?

Strathclyde Police has known for years what companies where run by what gangsters and now that the PSIA is in force they have been making use of it. Recently they shut down a gangster firm called 'Ruchill Security' http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/disp ... 47.0.0.php
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... -20640456/

Good on them, I'm sure it will be the first of many.

So lets :sltop:

Cheers.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by THFC » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:43 pm

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

The Scum uses the word "bouncer", I know "bouncers" who use the word "bouncer" - it is just that, a word. If DK sees it as a derogatory term, that is his problem, not mine. As I said in an earlier post, I have also met the odd decent one so I have never said that they are all "brainless knuckle draggging thugs".

And JEA, I have no idea how racism got into this.

Since I submitted this post I see that DK has edited his post to make various comments about me making out he is a criminal. I have never met him but I can think of plenty licensed security companys owned and run by thugs and gangsters so I don't see that the SIA has made any difference at all.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by DarkKnight » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:33 pm

THFC was alittle out of order and it has been addressed by other good thinking members before I could reply.

Jea has put it in good words, I'm only pointing out that I don't appreciate being stereotyped ! if someone believes that all door staff are brainless idiots that love violence then you class me and alot of other folk along with it.

You wouldn't descriminate like that if it where a race you where adressing, but since its only 'Bouncers' then it must be ok ?


JIMBO,

If your area has 'unregulated bouncers' then maybe you or your collegues should be doing something about it ?
It is an offence to work without a licence in your possession and on display under the Private Security Act 2001
http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home/about_si ... n/psia.htm
I've paid my dues to be legit at work so I don't see why they should get away with it.

Oh and the steriods comment, not funny. Don't be so insulting :slrnt:
I personally put in the down time when I want to be well built, I can take it or leave it but I'd never use stimulants. I don't get to use and asp or cs and anytime something kicks off I've got to put up with police like 'THFC' treating me like some sort of criminal for protecting myself and making sure I'll be home safe. I've been hospitilsed and no one was prosecuted for it, I've been assaulted more times then I care to remember and hardly involved the police because their war cry is ''they want to make a counter allegation ''

I've wrestled knives, bar stools, bats and needles amongst other things from many people determined to hurt me for just being a 'bouncer' .

I don't have equipment like the police, nor do I have their support and backup. So why shouldn't I have a good build and arms like Hulk Hogan ? its not just a good detterent but is all I got.

Here is one of my favourite short films that explains what its really like to be a 'Bouncer'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzKnNQEeI8


Now can we get back on topic please folks. I made this thread about a PC who attacked a Door Supervisor in an unprovoked attack. Should he have kept his job or not ?

If your not interested in the topic then get off the thread.

Regards
DK

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by jimbo » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:27 pm

I hate to say this, but I work in an area with unregulated bouncers.
And pretty much everyone of them I've met matches THFCs description.

Almost.

He forgot to mention the steroids... ;-)

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by joeyspoons » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:58 pm

THFC wrote:Come off it DK - it's the same as calling a Police Officer a Copper or Rozzer and I'm afraid most of the door stewards/security staff I have dealt with are "brainless knuckle draggging thugs". You do get the odd decent bloke though.

Having read it myself he is talking about the 1s he has dealt with, carnt see anywhere THFC is saying all bouncers are "brainless knuckle draggging thugs".

So am sorry guys your unfair to have a go at THFC

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by JEA » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:19 pm

THFC wrote:How so?
You implied that it's ok to apply, what is felt by that group to be, a derogatory term, to the whole group. Based on your experience of a few of them.

I've met a few Black people who are "brainless knuckle dragging thugs". I would never dream of saying that all Black people are like that. Even if ALL the Black people I came across were "brainless knuckle draggging thugs", I wouldn't be justified to assume the one's I haven't met are like that.

Weather or not "bouncer" is derogatory or not is not for you to decide. You may not have intended it that way, but it's how the term is received that matters.

PS, I'm not using the above example to imply you are racist. Please don't take it that way. I'm sure you'd never dream of prejudging a race of people based on your dealings with a few. I feel a bit underhand for drawing that parallel, but it's the only way I could think of highlighting the fact you did prejudge a profession based on your dealings with a minority.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by THFC » Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:56 pm

Fair enough.

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by PCSO Mickyboy » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:30 am

yeah well i still think your post was out of order

Re: Thug PC Keeps Job

by THFC » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:02 am

I speak from experience though.

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