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Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by JimmyRiddle » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:16 pm

arthurgray50@blu wrote:The we are told that we now need a 'witness' for PNDS.
This is a misconception. A PC needs an MoP witness for a S5 POA (ONLY) as he/she cannot be harassed/alarmed/distressed as per DPP vs Orum 1998.

A PCSO on the otherhand, doesn't need anyone but him/herself as a PCSO is not a Constable and therefore can be H/A/D'd. I find it unusual many forces have given their PCSOs the PND powers, as these are all crimed. If I had the power to do PNDs, I'd be doing loads just through the area I work. And no, I don't speak to people like shiz or wind people up before any smarties start saying anything.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by arthurgray50@blu » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:05 pm

I have read this thread with great enthusiasm, they are trying to do this in the Met, it is causing us lots of problems, we are going to get paid more money but have to work extra hours to achieve it and our ref break will remain the same - 45 minutes.

As l neighbourhood officer, we need more officers out there on the street, more PCs also, but the Met is being stretched to the limit and all this government want to do is place more pressure on every member of the 'family', l feel sad for every PCSO in all forces that we have to put up with people that sit behind a desk and telling officers on the street that we need' figures'

The PCSO's work very hard to achieve goals for there forces, but federations think that we are PCs on the cheap, i have been associated with the force for nearly 20 years, l was a special before and saw what happens on a daily basis. we are the ' eyes and ears' of the community, l get called 'plastic' on a daily basis, we are told that we now need a 'witness' for PNDS.

Recently, it was stated that the coalition was going to scrap us, as they wanted warranted officers on the street, makes me laugh as can you see a PC going round doing a welfare check on an OAP or when was the last time on the PR you heard loads of units going to a domestic - yet someone trying to rob a bank or try to kill someone, then you get four units call up at the same time.

My belief is that PCSO's should be left to do there great job and that is 'COMMUNITY SUPPORT' l can honestly see that the government will bring in private companies to run us, to save money.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by RINGER » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:15 pm

I don't really get why this is big news - has been the case in my force for around 2 years now - PC's have been withdrawn from the Local Policing Teams, and pcso's are now the 'beat managers'. A good thing in a sense really, as we're proving our worth that we don't need PC's to hold our hands for the day to day stuff. What does concern me is that on a team that used to have around 14 staff for 5 wards, we now have 3 PCSO's (including me) and our skipper. Workload has gone through the roof and it is becoming an increasing struggle to keep the local knowledge up to date. That said, we are somehow just about coping at the moment!

As for 'PCSO's doing the work and officers taking the praise', that certainly wasn't the case when I received a thank you email from the response team skipper for detaining a prolific TFMV offender a few weeks ago, which he was kind enough to copy in my Ch Insp... Sounds like someone's a teeny bit bitter.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by jay1 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:28 pm

same here
one big happy family :slcud:

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by ninjamonk » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:40 am

I have to say where i am Pc's and Pcso's work really well together.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by megablastic » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:00 pm

Wow you guys really like to 'us' and 'them' don't you?

2 very different jobs, not all full officers are lazy.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by Marlon » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:52 pm

lookalikecop wrote: Its the same everywhere, pcsos do the work catch the crims and the officers take the praise...

no intel

no knowing the local crims

no friendly face for the local residents



I don't accept any of the above as true, IME.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by lookalikecop » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:40 pm

Its the same everywhere, pcsos do the work catch the crims and the officers take the praise... Whos job is up For the chop??? We the pcso, all i can say is good luck to them, no foot beat no intel no knowing the local crims no friendly face for the local residents anymore. What a sorry state we are in!

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by Minx » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:24 am

Once again I feel that I am obliged to say that it is a sad indictment of the way policing seems to being sent.
However, in my Local Policing Area the inspectors and Super. are very hot on sending EVERYONE out on patrol at "Red Times". To be fair most of our PCs are more than willing to be in their communities but sadly here in D&C a project called Blueprint was brought in to restructure the way policing is organised. It was meant to be an improvement, but everyone, including those involved in the implementation have been forced to admit that it has failed the public. It meant that all PCs including neighbourhood officers were to carry out "Secondary Response" duties on 2 of the 5 weeks of their rotas. These duties are based around taking up the slack for Response and performing the patrols around nightclubs and dealing with the "Nighttime Economy"! This not only takes them out of the neighbourhooods physically but also means that they have to spend extra time behind a computer catching up on the related paperwork.

Now the powers-that-be have openly declared that PCSOs are the primary beat officers and that the neighbourhood officers are "problem solvers"!!!

I apologise for all the "" but our force is now existing on them!

:slrnt:

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by millsy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:27 pm

We have 7 wards, 7 ward PC's and 14 PCSO's making up 2-1 per ward, the PC's are now used in a small 'task force' away from the ward duties really whereas we the PCSO's are becoming the first point of contact. We now run all the PACT meetings, surgeries, council meetings, resident assoc. meetings, ASB calls, databases etc etc :slzz2:

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by bluecopper » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:41 am

This really does seem to be the same countrywide. I can relate to everything all of you have said when it comes to negativity towards our white shirted colleagues. I'm not going to go into details, as I don't want to upset the sensitive ones among you.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by plum » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:29 am

DOGMA wrote:This is amusing. In all my time as a PCSO I only once had a PC come out with me on foot, not 2 miles up the road they complained they were knackered and called a collegue to come and collect them. I have gone through a list of PC's that were on neighbourhood Policing teams that were more interested in doing the jobs the responce officers were doing, flying around arresting people and getting me to do all the work, then claiming it as there own. One actually refused to leave the station if she didnt have a vehicle and once sat on her back side for 8 hours doing nothing. Does it really matter what we are called as long as we can do the job. Im tired of spending a year in an area getting to know people, and build there trust to then be moved to somewhere else. The majority of the public still dont understand our role and if they start to change the name of our role we may as well start again. Im dont know what its like in other forces but where I am, the ammount of PC's has always been low and on most nights they may as well give me cuffs and the rest as im the only one out there, on foot dealing with things my role was never meant to deal with. :slbx:

Give this chap a pint
spot on
I was thinking this was just at my nick :slcup: :slcup:

I still love the jobI do
but please be honest
the public are not daft
they see who is doing the footwork
day in day out

Most of the MOPS in my area think the cops have already been cut
as they never keep a Sgt or a PC in one area more than a year
we seem to be a machine for folks looking to get the tick in box to move on ASAP

you can spot them a mile off when they come on the team
they want to meet all your contacts
Do a project ( that then they dump on a PCSO once the PR is over)
then next thing they are off again
leaving the PCSO to explain to the locals that
they have gone

We have team posters that we are ment to put up in the area
waste of time
14 pics ,always 2 or 3 out of date as soon as its printed

Litte test
ask your NBM who 10 of his KINs are (without looking at the list)
then ask them ,when did you last speak or meet them

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by ninjamonk » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:27 pm

What's going on here on this subject any more news ? and is it going to be officially rolled out in other forces ?

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by DOGMA » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:52 pm

JimmyRiddle wrote:
tnpmonkey wrote:been that way for years, I have just moved district to an area that has no neighbourhood PCs, just volume crime PCs, neighbourhood is just PCSOs and a Sgt, complete utter crap tbh
I didn't think they still had areas with no SNT bobbies? I know there's no real "local bobby" anymore, but to remove them entirely?
We have what I think is SNT bobbies but there called NC's now. Although I see mine he always says he will be at a place and time to attend a meeting or function with me but never turns up, then has a string of excuses. Most of the NC's I know just end up being responce officers anyway due to the lack of PC's, which defeats the object. As per usual it works in theory, not in practise.

Re: rebrand police community support officers in South Yorks

by falkor » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:16 am

I doubt that you are "talking to the public" by posting in this forum

remember, the site is broken down into various "forums" in fact, "Front Door" being just one of them

I tried and failed (more than once) to get "Front Door" made into a PUBLIC FORUM. Opposition from members stopped that from happening, we had a poll and the overwhelming votes showed members wanted "Front Door" held as "members only"

So unless Mr Joe Public goes through our Registration Process, he can't see much in "Front Door" that is for sure

I am loathe to disagree with anything GlynB says - so that's my lot for now :slch2:

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