Confrontational or not ????

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Re: Confrontational or not ????

by falkor » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:53 am

it probably came over the radio

for the nearest unit

and

guess who that was ? :slcool:

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by Gforceuk » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:09 pm

I hope the pcso wasnt sent to the domestic....

Teen tried to provoke PCSO into fighting him

by falkor » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:51 pm

Tuesday 22nd July 2008

By David Paine

A TEENAGER argued with his girlfriend and tried to provoke a police community support officer into fighting with him in a Worcester street as neighbours watched on, a court heard.

Unemployed decorator Stephen Bosworth also kicked a door in anger causing hundreds of pounds damage after he tried to prevent his partner from visiting her sister.

The 18-year-old admitted charges of causing criminal damage and using threatening words or behaviour that could cause harassment, alarm or distress when he appeared before the city’s magistrates on Friday.

Salli Hewitt, prosecuting, said an argument broke out between the couple at Bosworth’s home in Gresham Road, Dines Green, about noon on Monday, July 7 before the verbal altercation spilled outside.

“He was not letting her leave the premises to go to her sister’s house,” she said. “The community support officer saw she was very tearful and crying and tried to find out what the problem was.

“When he approached Bosworth squared up to him in a very intimidating manner.”

Miss Hewitt said Bosworth’s girlfriend told him to go away and the 18-year-old kicked the front door belonging to Worcester Community Housing causing it to come away from the frame.

Bosworth then returned to confront the community support officer for a second time.

“Bosworth was pushing his chest against him to try and provoke violence,” said Miss Hewitt. “The CSO was rather frightened for his own safety.”

Police officers then arrived at the scene and arrested Bosworth.

In mitigation Jason Patel said the argument started because Bosworth wanted to spend some “quality time” with his girlfriend, whom he had not seen for a couple of days.

Mr Patel said the couple were back on speaking terms and added Bosworth apologised to the CSO.

“A couple of days after he went over to the officer and apologised in relation to his behaviour on that afternoon,” he said.

Magistrates sentenced Bosworth to a 12-month community order with a supervision requirment for that period. He has also been put on a general offending behaviour programme, made to pay £200 compensation for the door damage.

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by PCSOTristan » Fri May 16, 2008 12:37 am

Its deffo changing from when i first joined, my basic skills were push away and kick outs, now its pressure points, UDT's and take downs, cordon training, recently been on other courses that are completely different to when i first joined. Deffo got some lower level confrontation in it, when it comes to FPN, PPO's and general trouble makers, officers on the ground are seeing it, even the higher ranking are starting to notice i think, looking at the figures, look at the terror powers we have, confrontational, anti social behavior, powers of detention, search powers, seizure powers, there there and they can turn nasty!

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by PI & GI » Sun May 11, 2008 7:12 pm

I second that! here here, we do have some people who know what's what on here then after all. lol


falkor wrote:if you go to the policecouldyou site you will see THIS about PCSOS:
As a police community support officer (PCSO), you will work on the frontline of your local force, providing a visible and reassuring presence on the streets and tackling the menace of anti-social behaviour.

This is a paid, usually full-time position that can lead to a long career with the police.

PCSOs have different roles in different forces, but they usually patrol a beat and interact with the public, while also offering assistance to police officers at crime scenes and major events.

Depending on where you work, you could:
  • deal with minor offences
  • offer early intervention to deter people from committing offences
  • provide support for front-line policing
  • conduct house-to-house enquiries
  • guard crime scenes
  • provide crime prevention advice
You would be a critical part of the force
Although PCSOs do not have the same powers as regular police officers, they still carry a lot of responsibility, and are a critical part of the police force.
there is no pretence there of "eyes and ears of the force" or "you can withdraw from a nasty situation" or "hey you're just there to call it in"

THERE IS THE TRUTH RIGHT THERE - THAT IS WHAT PCSOs ARE EXPECTED TO DO

work on the frontline of your local force, providing a visible and reassuring presence on the streets and tackling the menace of anti-social behaviour

how do you do that without confrontation?

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by megablastic » Sun May 11, 2008 1:20 am

First post :)

I've been in this role (including training) for just under a year. We recently had OST refresher (Officer Safety Training for non Police viewing).... the difference this time was that they wanted us to pre-empt a confrontational situation with a defensive attack move ....'spearhead' they called it.

Before it was 'push away and step back'... now it's 'unlclenched fists with arms in the air...stepping forward and strike'

It seems the role is changing, I'm rural and have had a few dodgy run ins with some Hare courses and travellers... i.e 3 cars packed full of them and expected to get details and pnc them all....on my own lol :shock: :D :D

Caught a drunk driver and got in a nice scuffle with fellow officers (who turned up really really fast to help me when I called it in ... that's the sort of backup everyone should have).

My favourite is going up to a large group of gobby 18-25 year olds drinking large bottles of Diamond White Cider and demanding their alchohle and details...yeah that didn't get nasty quick did it lol....he he

I like the role of Pcso but hate the blue hat :wink: , no I don't want to be a full officer (turned the job down to be a Pcso), but I would like the role to have a few more powers. Like the power to detain if you feel comfortable, the power to report drivers on mobile phones and actually have someone do something about it. And to be honest out in the middle of nowhere (rural) where the lanes don't even have names....I'd like some protection other than my not so bullet proof stab vest.

I don't want to be a PC (just yet...if at all), but I do get frustrated at being sent to jobs that I have no powers to deal with. I do a few RTC's and am usually first on scene having to deal with injuries and traffic control. I don't mind really I suppose, I'm quite willing to muck in with officers and never ever say 'that's not in my remit'.....I also understand why PC's get annoyed at this policing on the cheap, but even if it is....we still need a few more powers to really do the job properly.

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by falkor » Sat May 10, 2008 12:13 am

if you go to the policecouldyou site you will see THIS about PCSOS:
As a police community support officer (PCSO), you will work on the frontline of your local force, providing a visible and reassuring presence on the streets and tackling the menace of anti-social behaviour.

This is a paid, usually full-time position that can lead to a long career with the police.

PCSOs have different roles in different forces, but they usually patrol a beat and interact with the public, while also offering assistance to police officers at crime scenes and major events.

Depending on where you work, you could:
  • deal with minor offences
  • offer early intervention to deter people from committing offences
  • provide support for front-line policing
  • conduct house-to-house enquiries
  • guard crime scenes
  • provide crime prevention advice
You would be a critical part of the force
Although PCSOs do not have the same powers as regular police officers, they still carry a lot of responsibility, and are a critical part of the police force.
there is no pretence there of "eyes and ears of the force" or "you can withdraw from a nasty situation" or "hey you're just there to call it in"

THERE IS THE TRUTH RIGHT THERE - THAT IS WHAT PCSOs ARE EXPECTED TO DO

work on the frontline of your local force, providing a visible and reassuring presence on the streets and tackling the menace of anti-social behaviour

how do you do that without confrontation?

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by jimbo » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:11 pm

But why not? Sometimes Police Officers make the decision to stand back or get away, and are fully correct in doing so.

A stick and a can of deodorant do not increase your ability to deal with situations as much as you might think.

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by Jimmy_bobby » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:52 pm

Raven wrote:"You are not confrontational, but if it is happening in front of you we expect you to deal with it, it would not do to have uniformed officers seen to run away or stand back and do nothing......"
You’ve hit the nail on the head there Raven, this seems to be the attitude they all have in one way or another.

EDIT:Spelling

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by PI & GI » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:04 pm

brianb wrote:Tazer, Tazar....



tizwas! lol

What next?










Tizer?

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by Raven » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:21 pm

When the Met commissioner stands up in a conference and says to PCSOs -"You are not confrontational, but if it is happening in front of you we expect you to deal with it, it would not do to have uniformed officers seen to run away or stand back and do nothing......"

I have had to paraphrase as this was a couple of months ago, but that was the gist of the comment, it seems to me that ACPO actually know what we do and what we face but they cannot publicly acknowledge the true role that has emerged for PCSOs

We are often the new front line

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by brianb » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:07 pm

There's a joke there.....

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by jedrick999 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:13 am

Nope 7-UP

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by brianb » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:46 pm

Tazer, Tazar....

What next?










Tizer?

Re: Confrontational or not ????

by PCSO Mickyboy » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:32 pm

jimbo wrote:
PCSO Mickyboy wrote:brain don't be funny ya sod lol

Who's Brain?

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Sorry Long day for me i mean Brianb lol

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