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by JEA
Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:15 am
Forum: Front door
Topic: PCSO Powers Review 2009
Replies: 50
Views: 1285

Re: PCSO Powers Review 2009

...refers to a CSO warning someone of the offence, placing one hand on the individual to 'detain' them and nothing more... Really?! Do you have the link to the paper? That sounds ridiculous, impractical and impossible to put into practice. It should be either reasonable force or nothing, this is ju...
by JEA
Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:26 pm
Forum: Front door
Topic: 'Stop & Search' under Section 44 of Terrorism Act 2000
Replies: 17
Views: 455

Re: 'Stop & Search' under Section 44 of Terrorism Act 2000

tim419 wrote:As has been stated here many times, there is NO power for PCSOs to search a person, only bags or items they are carrying with them.
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... under sec. 44 of Terrorism Act 2000.
by JEA
Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:27 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

The reasoning for me, is that there are no checks and measures on the statement being relied upon - other than gut feeling, there's no corroboration, no supervisory/CPS oversight prior to action. I wouldn't often be happy to accept somebody else's word under these sorts of circumstances. You don't ...
by JEA
Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:07 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

eastrider wrote:section 59 notice's only apply to vehicles that carry a VRN.

PCSO's cannot legally seize Mini MOTO's etc. they have to taken under 165 rules.
Yes we can. “Motor vehicle” means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads.
by JEA
Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:42 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Bicycle Officers
Replies: 15
Views: 1045

Re: Bicycle Officers

Do you not carry any paperwork? I used to. Sec 59 warnings, blank templates for the forms I use most often (vulnerable adult, YOT referral, hate crime etc.), printouts of the jobs I need to go to that day etc. Maybe I was just being over prepared, I didn't use them often, but when I did it meant I ...
by JEA
Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:48 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

Good idea with the helicopter, and I'm seriously impressed that you managed to secure it's use. Checks on the computer showed no record of the warning, however from what he was saying, I have no doubt he was given a Section 59 warning at some stage. Because there was no record made which I could use...
by JEA
Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:16 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

Also - if an area has a real problem (from the communitys point of view) with these bikes I'd be harsher then if I just saw someone riding around in an area where there are no complaints. Lots of previous complaints regarding similar incidents in the area could also help prove "...has, or is likely...
by JEA
Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:13 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

Although, my only question is, how does a PCSO sieze it? On a stop form? And if siezed under s.59, I believe there is no chance of collecting from the compound unlike no insurance? You need to issue a seizure notice, suggested wording for one is on PNLD. Other than that it's going to be force polic...
by JEA
Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:56 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

I agree entirely with Big Brother on this one. I wouldn't rely on a third party's statement for this type of action, as IMO I'd be leaving myself open to criticism at a later date should the seizure be challenged - the reason being that unlike a scenario where a third party statement is used as evi...
by JEA
Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:30 am
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

The beauty of S-59 is that if it becomes "impractical to provide a warning" you can seize it instantly. (I think someone has already said this but just expanding on that a little for those who arn't sure). Being impractical might mean: Unidentifiable vehicle (no VRM etc) with no one admitting to ri...
by JEA
Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:28 am
Forum: Front door
Topic: Section 59 Police Reform Act
Replies: 16
Views: 1075

Re: Section 59 Police Reform Act

You (designated person) can enter a garage or driveway without a PC to effect a s.59. To enter a dwelling you need a PC with you if I remember the legislation correctly. Sorry, a PC only has the power to enter and search non-dwelling buildings under sec. 59. A PCSO can only do this in the company o...
by JEA
Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:15 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

In my force people don't tend to check intel on a vehicle, just PNC, unless they are looking for grounds to search it. The new mobile data devices we're getting will apparently interrogate PNC and intel databases at the same time so maybe that will help. (for a person check they'll also interrogate ...
by JEA
Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:59 pm
Forum: Front door
Topic: PCSO Powers Review 2009
Replies: 50
Views: 1285

Re: PCSO Powers Review 2009

Oh this takes the biscuit! So then, in what circumstances would " ...those considered unlawfully at large " actually refer to? We were told in training, but I can't remember off the top of my head. There is a legal definition though, maybe it's on PNLD. I seem to remember it including those that ha...
by JEA
Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:43 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: RADIO MISHAPS!!!
Replies: 203
Views: 11347

Re: RADIO MISHAPS!!!

I was attending a job once regarding a well known prostitute. A report of her loitering came in, no officers available so I was to go and witness it for evidence for an ASBO and then move her on. One of the other local units asked if I knew what she looked like. On the main talkgroup for the whole d...
by JEA
Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:30 pm
Forum: Basement HQ
Topic: Section 59 notice
Replies: 55
Views: 2528

Re: Section 59 notice

Regarding mini moto,s we take a picture of the bike and keep it on file with a copy of the original Sec 59 warning. Janner Good idea, might use that. It would mean that only the NPT would be aware, but better than nothing. The Sec 59 applies to both the rider and the vehicle ie if the rider has bee...