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Covert PCSOs?

Post by t5b » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:35 pm

How about unmarked PCSOs? No uniform, but a vest and radio etc with the same powers?

Would they be effective?

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Post by ak2006 » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:38 pm

They wouldn't be 'hi vis' thats for sure.

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Post by Trip » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:39 pm

What would be the reason for PCSOs to be out of uniform but still patrolling?

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Post by Headset 57 » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:50 pm

We do some plain clothes obs at stations to keep an eye on shoplifters and to name but a few.
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Post by mattd » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:03 pm

PCSO`s were created to be a hi visibility presence- what the hell is the point of having someone whose role 100% consists of being seen in plain clothes?


Considering that until PCSO powers are standardised properly they are all still a mish mash then no- a PCSO out of uniform is not going to be effective at his/her main role- which is COMMUNITY REASSURANCE. The community wont be very re-assured if they cant actually see you.
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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Post by croker » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:09 pm

A small technicality but doesn’t it say somewhere that a PCSO has no power out of uniform? :?
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Post by Brum » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:18 pm

No, a big part of our role is reassuring the community.

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Post by Hysteria » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:10 pm

I belive plain clothed pcso's have been used in the west end around xmas time because of the increase of dippers

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Post by JAY-PN » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:23 pm

In hampshire our powers are in FULL uniform and in the county of hampshire only so plain clothes renders us useless :?
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Post by ANT » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:32 pm

I have been told that GMP use plain clothes PCSO's on some obs
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Re: Covert PCSOs?

Post by mj12cz » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:53 pm

t5b wrote:How about unmarked PCSOs? No uniform, but a vest and radio etc with the same powers?

Would they be effective?
I have done plain cloths obs before, however be careful as it is directed surveillance you need permission from the big boss!

However I will say it is not realy Hi Vis! :lol: leave it to cid I say.
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Post by Jimmy_bobby » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:35 pm

We have here in Sussex, on rare occasions.

It’s not really our job but interesting to do for a few hours every few months.

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Post by falkor » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:45 pm

croker wrote:A small technicality but doesn’t it say somewhere that a PCSO has no power out of uniform? :?
croker is right PCSOs must be on duty and wearing the correct uniform to exercise their powers.

Headset 57 how does BTP deal with the fact that PCSOs cannot exercise PCSO powers from their designation card if out of uniform?

I am really quite amazed to read Headset 57's post re plain clothes obs at stations to keep an eye on shoplifters because for PCSOs to be OUT OF UNIFORM is to me such a fundamental step away from the basic principles that PCSOs were brought in for

I will ask micky and tim419 to specifically comment on this, I would be very interested to read their views :wink:

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Post by Trip » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:21 pm

Ooo I will be interested to see what they say!
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Post by tim419 » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:55 pm

Thanks for a good question - I can only offer a personal opinion: PCSOs according to HO guidelines should ONLY be deployed in uniform, primarily for hi-vis reassurance (as stated here by others already).

I can't account for BTP tactics but certainly for the rest of us, a PCSO has no powers at all (except Any Person if an indictable offence is being committed) if out of uniform.

There is no question in my mind that in many places across the country, senior management are bridging gaps in their PC numbers by filling them with PCSOs.....plain clothes obs etc, no matter how well intentioned, are solely a job for police officers.

PCSOs are NOT trained to investigate, acquire and preserve evidence, arrest suspects or interview witnesses in these cases, nor should they be put in these positions.

Yes its fun etc but it isn't your job. Covert PCSO? I don't think so at all!!

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