Anyone heard the rumours of CS spray

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Anyone heard the rumours of CS spray

Post: # 127644Post DOGMA
Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:31 pm

Hi all, during a recent training day, one of the tutors let slip that PCSO'S may be shortly issued and trained with CS Spray.
Anyone heard anything similar
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:38 pm

No, and I doubt it would ever be issued to PCSO's as it is a sec 5 firearm and we are supposed to be non confrontational.

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Post: # 127654Post cartmansmom
Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:40 pm

Sorry,wasn't signed in :(

No, and I doubt it would ever be issued to PCSO's as it is a sec 5 firearm and we are supposed to be non confrontational.
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Post: # 127661Post Headset 57
Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:12 pm

cartmansmom wrote:Sorry,wasn't signed in :(

No, and I doubt it would ever be issued to PCSO's as it is a sec 5 firearm and we are supposed to be non confrontational.
S.5 firerams has nothing to do with it. Forget the fireams bit, it'as irrelevant, you'd still be trained the same as a PC, so there's no problem at all in being issued, and we're allowed to by law, just that no C./C. has taken up that option too ( yet )!.
If you were to get a bat then you should get the spray first. It's the next move up in the conflict mode; hands, gas, bat, ( gun ).
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Post: # 127671Post Jimmy_bobby
Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:38 am

We were told the same by our OST trainers a while back, nothing materialised though.

It will happen in the future I’m sure, not for a while but eventually, after one of us is killed probably, then the debates start and the media clock on, then we get it.

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Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:55 am

Headset 57 wrote:
cartmansmom wrote:Sorry,wasn't signed in :(

No, and I doubt it would ever be issued to PCSO's as it is a sec 5 firearm and we are supposed to be non confrontational.
S.5 firerams has nothing to do with it. Forget the fireams bit, it'as irrelevant, you'd still be trained the same as a PC, so there's no problem at all in being issued, and we're allowed to by law, just that no C./C. has taken up that option too ( yet )!.
If you were to get a bat then you should get the spray first. It's the next move up in the conflict mode; hands, gas, bat, ( gun ).
1)I didn't know we were allowed to by law, having been issued CS when I was a PC I was under the impression it was unlawful for a civilian to carry it, happy to carry it though if issued.

2)I would have thought it would go........Handcuffs...Baton........CS, if anything.
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Post: # 127688Post mattd
Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:01 pm

It could lawfully be issued to PCSOs as they would have the same lawful authority and exemption as Constables would.

The reality is the same rumor goes around every year.
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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Post: # 127689Post flash_ah
Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:10 pm

If you had CS you'd need cuffs first. Anybody who needs CSing will also need arresting and you can't CS somebody and then do a runner.

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Post: # 127693Post jambo
Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:59 pm

trainers seem to let slip this exact thing on a regular basis. i expect theyre sat back now reading these sites chuckling to themselves.
however i would not be adverse to carrying something that could protect me if i was to come across an agressive situation.

example... walk round the corner and a man is standing there with a knife. were told to stand back and report. however what if this nutter starts to come for you? we run away? well im not the fastest athlete and wouldnt particularly want to turn my back on a lunatic.

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Post: # 127703Post flash_ah
Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:33 pm

jambo wrote:however i would not be adverse to carrying something that could protect me if i was to come across an agressive situation.
If you were only given one, you'd be better off with a baton, they work on everybody! Incapacitants are a brilliant tool to have, but they are not effective on eveyone all the time.

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Post: # 127718Post jambo
Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:51 pm

dont you thin batons are a bit too agressive for our role. i would rather use cs spray than whacking someone over the head with a baton a few times, less consequences.

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Post: # 127719Post brianb
Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:57 pm

You shouldn't aim for a red zone though.

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Post: # 127723Post Gualsa
Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:39 pm

I thought CS was used in detaining a resisting subject. If most PCSOs in the UK do not have the power to detain anyone why would they issue it?

It seems counter productive to issue lots of equipment to an officer who is primarily walking as this is just extra weight to carry.

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Post: # 127724Post cartmansmom
Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:44 pm

I'm sure I could manage a 4 ounce can of CS on my belt 8)
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Post: # 127726Post Headset 57
Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:57 pm

brianb wrote:You shouldn't aim for a red zone though.
Depends on your last breath.
Ihit the red zone round the neck after i put in 2 strikes to his ankle ( which i broke ) as he was strangling my buddy in the road with both arms round his neck.
The last thing my mate remembers was the black cab screeching to a halt at his head and it took 6 PC's to drag the guy off him, allthough one kicked him in the head; that worked.

My mate ended up in a&e with concussion and 2 broke ribs for 2 weeks.
The suspect got 21 days.
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