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should PCSOs be posted to police response cars for a FULL TOUR OF DUTY?

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Post by falkor » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:16 am

PCSOs are being posted to marked police cars for a full tour of duty, for example in the MET every single borough runs what is known as a BOMB CAR

This special marked car checks a number of pre-determined geographical locations on the ground every tour of duty and undertakes security orientated calls and duties. It has a compulsory crew of two PCs but now some BOCU's are posting a PCSO as the passenger, arguing that PCSOs are empowered under the Police Reform Act with dedicated powers to deal with various Sections of the Terrorism Act. The position is argued that this is why there is a specific role of Security PCSO that operates in 4 MET Boroughs, including Westminster.

All PCSOs receive specific training on dealing with security alerts, packages etc. PCSOs on bomb cars is apparently not new and is carried out in various boroughs across the MPS. :shock:

"Deployment Support PCSOs" are also being attached to MET response teams, so this is seen as a good opportunity to free up another police officer for response deployment - PCSOs are also being routinely posted into MET station offices to "free up another police officer for response deployment"

This development goes off at a tangent from the idea that PCSOs are additional eyes and ears, with a brief to observe and report rather than necessarily intervene

ACPO Guidance on Police Community Support Officers (2002)

3.5. The following key principles underlie PCSO pilot schemes:-
• Additionality of role – PCSOs are not substitutes for police officers, nor do they represent “policing on the cheap”. Although integrated within forces, PCSOs will have a distinct role which avoids high risk activity and places no duty on them to engage in risky situations. They will be additional eyes and ears, with a brief to observe and report rather than necessarily intervene.
just WHERE will this development of PCSO duty go to next?

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Post by kentishman » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:31 am

I have in the past along with other PCSO's driven a marked police panda for a full tour of duty. This was/is only only done when there are no other vehicles available.
We have 2 PCSO Transit vans but quite often one is off the road awaiting for Vensons. The next option is an unmarked Panda, which PCSO's will still drive when CID are not using them (nights mainly).


At our nick the bomb car is still manned by 2xPC's and i cannot see that changing as the PCSO's are required to perform Hi-Vis patrols on certain security beats 24/7. Two are also dedicated to carry out mobile patrols in seperate PCSO wagons as they have to do security checks on numerous buildings/sites. Dont think the nick has enough PCSO's to do other duties etc.
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Post by Headset 57 » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:56 am

On BTP the response unit at Heathrow is a van ( Lima 42 ). Because of where it is in London and being at the aiport it has a bomb role with the kit being permanently on the van. BTP also has other vehicles,mainly central London that perform this specialist role for all the areas.
When i was a Special based at Heathrow it was our only vehicle,that or tube it; which we did a lot as well.
If a PC is single crewed then i can understand them taking the PCSO out with them to jobs. A lot depends on where you are town or country i suppose!.
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Post by Gforceuk » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:56 am

nope not at all. Not our job .

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Post by Shimmy » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:51 pm

Whilst Id be over the moon to be the bomb car ( what a name lol ) i am not convinced its a good idea, and nor do i think that pcsos should be shoved in as stationm reception officers.
We already get stuck with directing traffic, babysitting kids and crime scenes... whats next? Constant watches in custody?

Setting a dangerous precedent............

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Post by Eviction Technician » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:02 pm

Done the public order van quite a few times on Friday & Saturday nights whilst as a PCSO, but from what FALKY was saying, sounds bloomin good to me!

I remember my first MET Inspector, Mr BRIARS, lovely guy who was very pro PCSO. He told me that the future would see the PCSO role growing & adapting once the system sorted itself out.

One of his theories was somethinglike a PCSO response driver (as I at that time still had a valid response Police licence) driving the response/area car with a couple of PC's who would deal with the incident once they arrived.

The same could be said for the mobile whisk (in the MET's case INDIA 99) with a PCSO as the pilot and not a PC like it is currently.
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Post by Fat Bloke » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:47 pm

Gforceuk wrote:nope not at all. Not our job .
nuf said.

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Post by Victor » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:49 pm

Sound good for me :D :D :D

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Post by brad » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:07 pm

I think us pcso's should be doing alot more along side police so that we
can gain as much experiance as possible for when we go for job. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Clai » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:57 pm

I think that if there are specific PCSOs for specific roles like in the MET or there is a terrorist problem this is fine, however for those of us in more rural areas its a completely different matter. My job as a PCSO in a village seems completely different to those in London and other cities. All I need is a bike, while my collegue who has a more dispersed area to patrol needs a car just to get from A-B. Therefore, I just don't think this is going to happen outside of the cities. However, I would never patrol on a bike as I would be unapproachable, just get to meetings and such. But I'm babling because I'm tired and can't wait til I'm off duty.
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Post by CIDB » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:38 pm

This is nothing new really, Im sure most PCSOs have crewed up with a PC and gone on patrol in a vehicle.

Its no big deal.

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Post by Gforceuk » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:38 pm

If you want to drive about in a car... JOIN THE REGS.... it is NOT your job as a pcso to be driving around ... the public are sick of seeing police driving about ... the whole idea of the role which some people are forgetting is that you should be on foot.

i give up. :roll:

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Post by CIDB » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:47 pm

Im happy as a PCSO, And MOST of the time I am on foot.

The point I was trying to make is that most PCSOs have crewed up in a car from time to time.

In my view there is nothing wrong with that.

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Post by nottac » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:24 am

Gforce mate you are forgetting that there are quite a few PCSOs who need to drive to get to their beat. Not everyone is within walking distance of a police station. Therefore, you have to drive to a village or town and do some foot patrol and then drive to the next village and do some more foot patrol. In my area we also attend youth disorder call while we are mobile. This is not because we want to be police but because if we don't attend then noone will attend. Its as simple as that. I certainly do not think that we should be used as a mobile response unit as this is not our job. However, youth disorder is a quality of life issue and is certainly well within our remit as PCSOs.

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Post by Gforceuk » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:49 am

Hi nottac.

The title and descrtiption of the post is doing a full tour of duty in a car , not just getting to the area you work.

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