Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

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Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

Post by spider86 » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:16 pm

Racist police officers were given a "licence to bully" their ethnic minority colleagues by bosses who turned a blind eye to threats of violence and a culture of apartheid that gripped a London police station, it was alleged yesterday.

The allegations are contained in legal documents submitted by Asad Saeed, a Muslim PCSO who is suing the Met for racial discrimination at an employment tribunal that began today.

He says he worked for barely a month at Belgravia station in central London in February 2007, before being suspended after two white racist colleagues who "framed" him. He was sacked from the force, but later reinstated on appeal with CCTV evidence disproving a claim from one of his accusers that Saeed, 35, had assaulted a vagrant while on duty.

The claims from Saeed and other black officers are some of the worst concerning racism to hit Scotland Yard in modern times. But more troubling for the new Met commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson who last week declared the force's racist past was behind it, are the repeated claims from Saeed and his colleagues that when senior officers were told, they tried to silence the whistle blowers.

One ethnic minority officer told of the culture of fear at Belgravia station which was incited by a white boss.

PCSO Peter Campbell said an inspector at the station drew up a hit list of black officers to be got rid of, and shared the list with white officers.

In his witness statement, submitted to the tribunal today, Campbell said: "This is what gave bullies like PCSO Geoff Whitehead and PCSO Royston Upson a licence to bully the ethnic minority PCSOs."

Things were so bad at the station that white officers rode in a separate van to ethnic minority colleagues, barring entry to any black officer who tried to get in, and refused requests to pick them up.

Documents supporting Saeed's claims say the "apartheid" began in 2003.

In June 2006 a white PCSO is alleged to have reported racist remarks by Whitehead to senior management, but no action was taken.

The canteen and television rooms were also subject to "apartheid" with white officers and their black colleagues sitting separately.

Campbell also alleged that at times black officers were "treated like dogs" and that senior officers played a racist game called "spot the PCSO".

Campbell said: "When we were on the beat after dark we would often notice a police car following us. Eventually one of the police constables told me that they were playing a game called 'spot the PCSO'.

"We would look over and see two white police officers gawping at us from the vehicle.

"The joke was that all PCSOs had black or brown skin colour so they were very hard to see in the dark.

"When I found out that police constables and senior police officers played this game I was extremely upset."

Saeed says his race hate ordeal began on his first day at Belgravia when Whitehead refused to shake his hand.

Days later Saeed saw the same white officer bar a black colleague from a vehicle, saying: "You need to get in the black van".

Documents show other officers confirming the black and white van system.

A woman officer was threatened, her chair kicked and sworn at, being called "a fucking bitch".

A senior officer was overheard complaining about "fucking foreigners", two white officers bragged of connections to the BNP, while on duty homeless people sleeping in the street were kicked in the stomach, and smuggled goods were traded in the station.

Saeed says bosses turned a blind eye to this, and after his suspension a senior officer ignored his complaints of racism saying it was "a smokescreen": "At Belgravia, they turned a blind eye to racism,", his witness statement says.

In August 2008, an internal report by sergeant Sarah Cashman, found the claims from the ethnic minority PCSOs had "credibility and consistency".

The investigation found black PCSOs scared to speak because of past threats and assaults by coleagues.

Whitehead and Upson have both left the force.

A document reveals that a Met internal investigation produced enough evidence to bring a disciplinary charge against Whitehead for racism, harassment and bullying of colleagues, and for running the apartheid van system.

He quit before the hearing.

The Met is denying the claim bought by Saeed and the hearing continues.
from http://www.pcsotoday.com/news/detail.html?id=18596
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Re: Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

Post by typecastboy » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:21 pm

I find this incredible that it could have gone on in 2009, with even the higher ranks at it too. Almost unbelievable.

I feel so sorry for the people involved. Anyone involved should be sacked and prosecuted.
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Post by DarkKnight » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Pretty shocking stuff.
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Post by mj12cz » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:44 pm

Its almost had to believe!

Sad if it is true!
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Re: Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

Post by Hysteria » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:40 pm

mj12cz wrote:Its almost had to believe!

Sad if it is true!

Unfortantly Mj I can very much believe it , During my time as a pcso we used to bump into some pcso's from said Station every now and again and we ' used to chat ' lets just say I was very gratful to be working at the nick I was :slbl:

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Re: Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

Post by megablastic » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:24 am

That's some hard sh*t :slwot:

Is it really like this in London?

There is no way any of that would stand at the station I work in, even if you get called chimps (can't help in most police situations), it's a knuckle slapping offense.

Actually I like the phrase chimps, it's good for banter between us and the proper coppers, we're are just as rude back for sure. I still find it hard to believe such racist stuff goes on in the force in this day and age though......shocking really.

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Post by Big Brother » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:12 am

megablastic wrote:That's some hard sh*t :slwot:

Is it really like this in London?

There is no way any of that would stand at the station I work in, even if you get called chimps (can't help in most police situations), it's a knuckle slapping offense.

Actually I like the phrase chimps, it's good for banter between us and the proper coppers, we're are just as rude back for sure. I still find it hard to believe such racist stuff goes on in the force in this day and age though......shocking really.


I think maybe it might be mainly a London thing. From all the stories you hear about it seems the MET is a lot less picky about who it recruits. I've never encountered anything remotely like it in my force n 6 years, and I've never heard about anything either.
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Post by tim419 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:26 pm

Oh Big Brother, what a disappointingly lazy bit of Met-bashing from you! I'd come to expect a lot more from someone of your calibre, especially as you have already previously posted on this very subject (back on the thread titled RACISM).

I won't repeat my comments on that thread here, but basically:-

1) NO this isn't "how it is" anywhere in London, it certainly is NOT a "London thing" (whatever that is supposed to mean);
2) Yes we are in fact very picky about who we recruit;
3) this story centred on two thick PCSOs who committed clear gross misconduct, and thankfully were properly disciplined and kicked out;
4) there is NO WAY this was seriously supported or condoned by anyone...
5) however....doesn't that make a great soundbite if you are seeking a pay-out!?

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Post by Big Brother » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:26 pm

tim419 wrote:Oh Big Brother, what a disappointingly lazy bit of Met-bashing from you! I'd come to expect a lot more from someone of your calibre, especially as you have already previously posted on this very subject (back on the thread titled RACISM).!?

Meh. I know there are exceptions, the Secret Policeman in machester and the one with the journo turned cop in Leeds I think as well. I was just stating an observation though......


Gotta have someone to bash though, may as well be the met :slbell:
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Re: Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

Post by tim419 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:06 am

Oh poor little Met, sitting there all by itself in the playground minding it's own business, when some of the other constabularies come along in group, ruff it up and pinch it's dinner money!

Don'cha feel guilty now?!!! :sltgu:

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Post by Big Brother » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:16 pm

tim419 wrote:Oh poor little Met, sitting there all by itself in the playground minding it's own business, when some of the other constabularies come along in group, ruff it up and pinch it's dinner money!

Don'cha feel guilty now?!!! :sltgu:

Thats exactly what it is, the MET is our whipping boy :slbell:
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Post by ladyk100 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:59 pm

I would say everyone is too careful about what they say where i work, people too scared to say anything with the word black in it and no one trusts anyone to come out with any such comment. Its not a london thing at all.

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Asian community officer loses 'apartheid' claim

Post by falkor » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:18 am

Justin Davenport, Crime Correspondent
27.10.09 An Asian police community support officer who said there was an "apartheid" system at a London police station has lost a claim for race discrimination.

Asad Saeed, 35, a Muslim who joined the Met in 2007, said officers operated a "white van, black van" policy to collect PCSOs on patrol in Westminster.
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His claims led to an internal review and the resignation of two white officers based at Belgravia police station. Mr Saeed made the claim after he had been dismissed and then reinstated.

However, the Central London tribunal has thrown out his claim, raising concerns over his credibility.

The tribunal heard that Mr Saeed had been dismissed after he said he had "done a homeless man good and proper" in an alleged assault. The Met welcomed today's finding.

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Re: Police Played 'Spot The Black Officer'

Post by typecastboy » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:03 am

Hmmm, more institutionalised racism or him just being a liar?
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Post by Big Brother » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:40 pm

typecastboy wrote:Hmmm, more institutionalised racism or him just being a liar?

Depends who was on the tribunal.
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