Credit where it's due...........

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Credit where it's due...........

Post by PROMETHEUS » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:48 am

Never mind the Dispatches debacle, I suspect that we may be being "done" out of recognition for jobs well done when a PCSO detains people. I know of and have been involved in quite a few situations where a PCSO has detained someone using their any person powers, then along comes a PC and further arrests the subject.

Two Things here - firstly and most importantly there appears to be no facility (or willingness) to record this, even in the dreaded "stats".
Secondly that means that the PC gets the credit and, more importantly the PCSO gets no recognition! How many times does this happen nationally, quite a few I bet? It probably wouldn't have got a mention on the aforementioned "Despatches Debacle" but would of been a good argument for senior officers to put forward - if they dared.
Maybe, just maybe the powers that be don't want to acknowledge that PCSO's are making arrests - maybe we might be viewed as having another use (and getting ideas above our station to boot).
I welcome peoples thoughts and experiences on this - good or bad.

One more thing would it be possible for the moderators to set up a survey on here to enable PCSO's to post how many times this has happened to them?
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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by typecastboy » Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:13 pm

I've been involved in quite a few arrests, some of which, I've detained the suspects personally. They do go down on our stats. We have a work return file that we complete every day with what we have done, stops, alcohol confiscations, dispersals, arrests, etc etc. If their is a pair of us, then we take it in turns putting it against our names.

The Daily Mail always says that we don't solve crimes, but they fail to realise that we're not there to solve crimes. We do detect crimes, and we do catch the suspects, but as you quite rightly say the arrest goes down on the PC who comes out to you. How those records are then filed is a mystery, but I do know that my teams stats do get recorded.
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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by Andrew B » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:32 pm

We don't get credit for what we do, because we can never see it through to the end.

We had a huge graffiti problem on the ward, and all over the south of my borough, damage in the thousands etc...I was the one who located the offending taggers through some clever research and use of IT systems, linking it back to 3 boys I stopped earlier in the week. But because I cant arrest those involved, my name is no where near it all so I got no recognition.

Not that im complaining, its part of the job..
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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by JEA » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:05 pm

I had to vote 'mostly' as there was no "every single time" option. There's no way of recording a PCSO's involvement in my force.

Even when I issue a PND, I have to pick which PC gets the detection!

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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by PROMETHEUS » Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:10 pm

There's no way of recording a PCSO's involvement in my force.
My point exactly!

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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by PROMETHEUS » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:27 pm

Even when I issue a PND, I have to pick which PC gets the detection!
Basically that says it all - the credit for any effectiveness we may have is (in some cases) being given to Police Officers. This appears to be a deliberate attempt to prevent the public from knowing just how usefull we are!
After all can anyone imagine the "fed" admitting that their members are actually getting credit due to PCSO's (or CSO's as they like to call us)?


We don't get credit for what we do, because we can never see it through to the end.
Maybe not, but we initiate the job in the first place, at least acknowledge that it was a PCSO that did that!

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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by Big Brother » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:07 pm

I've detained a fair few people. yes the cop gets the credit on the report but I make sure the intel always goes to me. Even PND's, I can sign them off but a cop needs to do the crime report as our system doesn't recognise PCSO collar numbers. It's no big deal, as long as my Sgt knows I've done it and I get the intel credit I'm not bothered. I just pick a cop I'm on good terms with then we both get a tick in the box.
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Post by typecastboy » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:38 am

Further to my earlier answer to this question, I now agree with you all. Although I get recognition as a work return, we don't get it anywhere else, because, obviously the arresting officer gets it, not us. As I am on a Safer Transport Team we are forever having to justify our existence to Transport for London who part finance our wages, therefore this work return has to show that we are performing on the transport system, which we far outdo every month, as we are a very pro-active team. I have had a few arrests, and although the Inspector or Sergeant or both may say well done, and I've got two QSRs so far, there are, as far as I'm aware, no official figures, but I assume it probably goes down on your record, via your PDR doesn't it?
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Re: Credit where it's due...........

Post by PROMETHEUS » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:16 pm

I agree with what you and the others are saying Typecastboy. However what I'm getting at is that joe public and those in power are denied this knowledge. Therefore when decisions are being made as to the future of PCSO's and/or the public are forming opinions about us (re the Despatches debacle) we are all being cheated!

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