How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

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How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by PROMETHEUS » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:58 pm

Just as the title says - how much foot patrol are you expected to do in a typical 8 hour shift?
No doubt it differs from force to force (or even area to area) but it would be interesting to see how much foot patrol people are expected to do.

Also how are people deployed at the start of their shift? Are they dumped off from a van at the start and collected later for meal? I'd like to know how common this practise is, just out of interest. How often does someone check on your we being? Again I think it helps build up a picture of how people operate - and to a certain extent how their managers think of them!
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by ruben » Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:52 pm

when i was a PCSO, this was my working day on earlies:

06.45 - parade
07.00 - leave the station on foot/bike
12.00 - back forbait
12.45 - out again
15.30 - back for paperwork
16.00 - home

as the above states, we were expected to be out ALL of the time. not necessarily on foot. there were meetings, jobs, teaspots etc but we were forbidden to be in the station pretty much! it has certainly changed since i became a PC 2 years ago!
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by baronsmirnoff » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:48 pm

You are expected to be 'visible' 80% of the time so all but 90 minutes of an 8 hour shift
Breifing 15 minutes
Break 45 minutes
Paperwork 30 minutes

as ruben says not necessarily on foot, pop in your local cafe for a cup of tea for 10 minutes you can get more information than 2 hours walking the street, providing you do not go from cafe to cafe and can justify your actions foot patrol can be less than half your shift, 07:00-15:00 when the local kids are at school or still in bed why hang around their haunts 16:00-00:00 when they are on the street corners being a pain then join them


In the Met more and more SNTs are based on their beat, my team in the local hospital so as soon as we step out of the door we are there no dropping off by van

How often are we checked on, as often as needed is the only answer I can give you, you produce a return of work, Stops,CRIMINTs FPNs management know you are doing your job, call up on your PR name checks or take calls and report TOA and out come then they know your safe so you will have lrss calls from your Sgt checking on your wealfare they will know you are safe and well
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by typecastboy » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:56 pm

On a 1000-1800 shift, I would be parading at 1000, out by 1030, back in at 1300 for refs, back out by latest 1430, back in by 1730. Occassionaly might stay in a bit longer after refs depending on paperwork to do.
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by tnpmonkey » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:14 pm

depending what Ops and events are on and Crime reports etc a normal day would be

08:00 start (we dont have any briefing)
09:00 - 09:30 out of office
12:00 back to nick for refs
13:00 back out
15:00 back at nick
16:00 finish

or

14:00 start
15:00 out
20:00 back for refs
21:00 back out
01:00

Normally back about 1.5 hrs before finish as 4 computers and 40 PCs and PCSOs in one office is not enough, but apprently our job has no paperwork ! Hence they wont pay for more computers

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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by overthinker1977 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:39 pm

I'm extremley lazy and hate walking around but i'd feel too guilty to dodge the work especially when it'd be my team mates who'd have to pick it up.
I'll check clock on, check emails, phone messages and crimes/incidents on my area. Respond to any paperwork type stuff that needs doing. Once the essential admin is done I'll hit patrol.
Supposed to spend 80% of time out. Lancs wants 90% but thats ridiculous.... When you consider the admin stuff we have to do. Even as a PCSO.
Some days though if theres no office stuff at all I'll go out all day including going for lunch on my area.

Usually cycle patrol... my area is about 3-4 miles away from the station and its up some reasonably big hills.
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by PROMETHEUS » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:23 pm

tnpmonkey I find it worrying that you don't have briefings!
What about officer safety warnings?
What about known active criminals?
What about wanted/missing from home/vulnerable persons?
The list goes on, you get my drift, is this local or force policy?

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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by overthinker1977 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:24 pm

Good point. Although as a PCSO you tend to get the same or very similar targets. I don't think we tend to deal with mispers much, officer safety warnings??
Although SOME kinds of brief would be essential I thought. Even a self brief. Then again, 40 PCSOs in one officer with hardly any comps... thats bad. It seems managment arn't taking you guys very seriously... yet.
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by elcapitan » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:33 pm

Im the same as Typecast. We dont really have a set pattern, we are left to our own devices most of time. We will crowd around the computer for the briefing at the start of the shift (its a small office). Have a cup of tea, and then hit the streets depending if we have any outstanding paperwork to do.

On a 10-6 shift we usually come in around 1pm, but if we are out with an rpi (revenue protection inspector) then this usually changes to 1.30pm. If we have a day where we get the sense it may be busier on the second half of the shift then we come in earlier for refs, to allow us more time out and about later on.

On average I would say Im walking about for a good 6 1/2 hours.
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by averagejoe90 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:00 am

um may i ask what is parading? :sldu2:
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by Marlon » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:19 am

overthinker1977 wrote:Then again, 40 PCSOs in one officer with hardly any comps... thats bad. It seems managment arn't taking you guys very seriously... yet.



40 PCs and PCSOs to share 4 computers, if you read the post again.

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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by overthinker1977 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:04 am

averagejoe90 wrote:um may i ask what is parading? :sldu2:
I think (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) "Parading" is an old fashioned term when Police Officers would come on duty and their sergeant would inspect their uniform. They were on parade.
Now its not quite the same but obviously shoddy uniform is still addressed (usually).

Its now more a term for briefing and showing attendance etc.
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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by PROMETHEUS » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:53 pm

I think (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) "Parading" is an old fashioned term when Police Officers would come on duty and their sergeant would inspect their uniform.
I thought that would be the "Inspectors" job surely :sltgu:

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Re: How many hours foot patrol are you expected to do per day?

Post by Big Brother » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:55 am

PROMETHEUS wrote:
I think (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) "Parading" is an old fashioned term when Police Officers would come on duty and their sergeant would inspect their uniform.
I thought that would be the "Inspectors" job surely :sltgu:


Sgts used to do it too.... :slbell:
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