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PCS Budget Day Strike

Post: # 196214Post Arthur ASCII
Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:26 am

Best wishes to all colleagues who have withdrawn their labour today to send a message to the government that Public Sector pay, conditions and pensions must not be eroded while the richest in our society enjoy tax breaks. :slcup:
PCS general secretary Mark Serwotka said it was not a one-day protest but "the start of a rolling programme of walkouts and disruptive action to put pressure on a government" which he said was refusing to talk to the trade union.

He said: "Civil and public servants are working harder than ever to provide the services we all rely on but, instead of rewarding them, the government is imposing cuts to their pay, raiding their pensions and trying to rip up their basic working conditions."
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Re: PCS Budget Day Strike

Post: # 196216Post Bert Moffat
Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:26 pm

Are the PCS trying for 5% Arthur?

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Post: # 196217Post Arthur ASCII
Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:32 pm

Bert Moffat wrote:Are the PCS trying for 5% Arthur?
I believe so. Still way behind inflation since the last pay rise.
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Post: # 196218Post Bert Moffat
Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:39 pm

When did you last get a pay rise and what was it?

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Post: # 196219Post Arthur ASCII
Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:14 pm

Bert Moffat wrote:When did you last get a pay rise and what was it?
I can't even remember, but I know we've lost over £80 a month over the last year through changes to shift allowance.

BTW, I'm just reading that Barclays Bank have confirmed that 9 senior staff have received nearly £39 million in shares.

That sum would fund our pay rise :-(
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Post: # 196263Post Minx
Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:26 pm

IMHO, I though it a little tactless. In times of high unemployment and with the threat of redundancy commonplace in some sectors, our local Job Centre staff were out on the street while people, who can't get jobs were going in.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:17 pm

Minx wrote:IMHO, I though it a little tactless. In times of high unemployment and with the threat of redundancy commonplace in some sectors, our local Job Centre staff were out on the street while people, who can't get jobs were going in.

As tactless as a banker accepting millions in bonuses while refusing loans and mortgages to hard working people?

As tactless as a Government who have made hundreds of thousands redundant, yet constantly talk about "benefits scroungers"?

Would you rather continue the "race to the bottom" that is creating a society of "haves" and "have nots" where more and more employers do not pay a living wage, and terms and conditions of employment are eroded year on year?
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Post: # 196278Post Minx
Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:38 pm

No Arthur, I'd rather that everyone, bankers and government included, considered those who have less than themselves. Pie in the sky I know. But just because the super rich are out for themselves, doesn't mean we all should be, does it?
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:12 am

Minx wrote:No Arthur, I'd rather that everyone, bankers and government included, considered those who have less than themselves. Pie in the sky I know. But just because the super rich are out for themselves, doesn't mean we all should be, does it?
It is greedy to ask for an increase in pay equal to 25% of inflation?

Many families are suffering and cannot cope. As a union rep, I try and provide them with help to manage their debts. Meanwhile we allow employers to pay people rates of pay so low that they require "Working Families Tax Credit" just to live. You and I are subsidising employers to pay poverty wages while they make more and more profit. And you'd rather we kept quiet?

Some of us have other income, but it isn't about US, it's about THEM. It's about looking after the poorest - that's what unions do.
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Post: # 196319Post Catweazle
Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:26 pm

Unions looking after the poorest? Really? Then why do they charge financially overburdened members union subs? Why don't they fund soup kitchens for the homeless instead of funding the Labour party? Something doesn't smell right here...

Why is it that some of the 'poorest' have Satellite TV, mobile phones, designer clothing, and go to the pub 2 or 3 evenings a week? How can Satellite TV be managing ones finances?

Back in the 1930s, many people went hungry, and even without shoes. No-one goes hungry today and everyone has shoes (I'm referring to the UK here, by the way).

I agree that the international bankers have a lot to answer for. They are not 100% of the problem, but certainly part of it- as they always have been. Awarding themselves ridiculous multi-million pound bonuses does not win them any friends (apart from other international bankers)- and their greed mirrors that of socialist dictators, past and present- who lived or are living lavish lifestyles while their people have almost nothing.
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Post: # 196338Post Arthur ASCII
Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:12 pm

Catweazle wrote:Unions looking after the poorest? Really? Then why do they charge financially overburdened members union subs? Why don't they fund soup kitchens for the homeless instead of funding the Labour party? Something doesn't smell right here...
Union membership is based on ability to pay. Low paid workers pay the outrageous sum of £1.30 a month to enjoy the full benefits of membership, which includes:

UNISON Welfare (registered charity 1023552)
A unique service providing support exclusively for UNISON members and dependants at times of special need. There is also a free and confidential debt advice referral scheme.

Legal advice
UNISON provides expert legal advice and services, including free assistance with problems at work and an extended package of legal services for members and their families.

Unison plus membership benefits
Special offers and discounts for UNISON members and their families on insurance, mortgages, motoring, holidays & travel, financial services and much more.

Learning and Organising Services (LAOS) offers a wide range of learning opportunities, which range from basic skills through to professional level qualifications for UNISON activists and members.

Rule book benefits
Full members are entitled to benefits paid out on: death, accident, fatal accident. Education and training grants are also available.

Those wishing to pay into the Labour political fund do so by choice. They need to deliberately opt in before ANY of their contributions go to the "Labour Link".

Unions are NOT charities. A union is an organization of workers who act together to secure benefits and rights in the workplace, and who provide support for each other.

Catweazle wrote:Why is it that some of the 'poorest' have Satellite TV, mobile phones, designer clothing, and go to the pub 2 or 3 evenings a week? How can Satellite TV be managing ones finances?
Your remarks are a contemptible distortion of the truth designed to demonise a section of our society (but more on that later). The use of a mobile phone for those on a low income is a no-brainer. They can be bought for a tenner, have no line rental charges and are vastly cheaper to run. Satellite TV - more anecdotal nonsense. Many low income families have invested in a one-off FreeSat dish or have inherited one when they moved into their property. Designer clothing?...Please :slroll:

Your attempt to stereotype unemployed and low income families is REALLY stooping low.

Isn't the simple fact that you and your Tory mates want THEM to have less so YOU can have more? and labelling those at the bottom of the heap as scroungers and benefit cheats allows you to salve your conscience a little.

Hard to believe you've been working with vulnerable and disadvantaged people for so long, yet all you see are scroungers and dead wood.

Consider this short article by Peter Limbrick:
When unemployed people are 'shirkers' and disabled people are 'scroungers'

There are people who want most of the cake. No matter how big or small the cake is there are people who think that they and their friends and their children should have most of it. In 1942 Sir William Beveridge laid the foundations for the UK Welfare State. The idea was to collect weekly national insurance contributions from everyone in work and use the fund to support sick, widowed, retired, and unemployed people.

I grew up and have lived my life in this Welfare State and it has provided me with a yardstick for social responsibility. If you ask me, 'What is society for?' I have no answer except to say that it is to protect those who are vulnerable and at a disadvantage for some reason, whether temporarily or permanently.

A very different mood is prevailing now and the Welfare State has surprisingly quickly become a redundant idea that can be consigned to history. The international banking crisis is certainly a gift to those who want to demolish Beveridge's legacy, but it is not the main driver. The real driver is the monstrous realisation that I can have more if you have less. OK, it is just plain greed, but until now it has been curbed by a prevailing sense of fair play and justice.

Not any more: the people who want to grab all material wealth for themselves are dominant. In their pockets they have governments and the media and they are strong enough now to argue that black is white – and to win if you try to argue the case in court.

Language is all important as we are all massaged into a new way of thinking about how we live and what we value. History teaches us that when we want to disempower, damage or remove another group of people, the first stage of the campaign is always to describe them in some way as 'not like us', 'not real people', 'not fully human', 'less deserving of a place on the earth'. Witness, for example, Jews under the horrors of Nazism, aboriginals around the world invaded and obliterated by English soldiers and settlers.

I have visited many 'long-stay mental handicap hospitals' in the UK (severe institutions that have since been closed by government decree) in which residents, no matter what their actual age, were referred to as 'boys' and 'girls'. This language came from an official attitude about the status of people with learning and other disabilities and helped perpetuate a 'care' system that afforded neither rights nor human dignity to its recipients. Sorry if I offend gardeners, but is it not the arbitrary classification of particular healthy and beautiful plants as 'weeds' that frees us up to remove them in any way we like from our garden?

Language is being manipulated as I write. UK politicians of all colours are dividing people (us, you and me) into workers or shirkers. The outcome they seek is that the 'workers' will despise the 'shirkers' and want to deprive them of all things good. People who need support from the Welfare State, because of physical or learning disabilities, are now 'scroungers' and 'cheats' and must be pushed to the fringes and allowed to wither. Another lesson from history is that the pendulum of opinion swings first to one extreme and then the other. Opinion in the UK, with England in the lead, is swinging into a place of cruelty, an anti-Beveridge time of survival of the fittest. My generation is bequeathing to the next a less humane world. Beware. Black is becoming white and white, black. There is a juggernaut coming to roll over you if you try to argue.
Remember the old Fascist trick of demonising minorities?

Catweazle wrote:Back in the 1930s, many people went hungry, and even without shoes. No-one goes hungry today and everyone has shoes (I'm referring to the UK here, by the way).
I don't know where YOU work, But I can't move for Food Banks in my part of the world and desperate, indebted people are stealing food to live. Wake up and look around!

BTW, I bought a pair of shoes for a young lad on my patch a few months ago so that he could attend a job interview - we touched-up the scuff marks on his black trousers (ex-school) with black felt tip.
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Re: PCS Budget Day Strike

Post: # 196543Post jim2509
Thu May 16, 2013 4:35 pm

Great a thread promoting more 'Lefty Socialist' claptrap. Labour wrecked this country (as usual) now we're all paying for it...again, as I remember the late 70's, unions were responsible for dragging the UK back to the stone age. Go on strike, no thanks I'd rather get on with my work.

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Post: # 196545Post jim2509
Thu May 16, 2013 4:47 pm

Also I recall in Liverpool last year an IRA March, within which were representatives of Unison and the PCS, waving both their flags within the IRA march. I'd rather give my money to victims of terrorist atrocities thanks.

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Fri May 17, 2013 5:49 am

jim2509 wrote:Great a thread promoting more 'Lefty Socialist' claptrap. Labour wrecked this country (as usual) now we're all paying for it...again, as I remember the late 70's, unions were responsible for dragging the UK back to the stone age. Go on strike, no thanks I'd rather get on with my work.

I think you're in the wrong place. Since when has wanting decent pay, decent pension and job security been Lefty socialist claptrap? You maybe content on being screwed by the bosses, the rest of us aren't.
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Re: PCS Budget Day Strike

Post: # 196618Post jim2509
Wed May 22, 2013 9:56 pm

Big Brother wrote:
jim2509 wrote:Great a thread promoting more 'Lefty Socialist' claptrap. Labour wrecked this country (as usual) now we're all paying for it...again, as I remember the late 70's, unions were responsible for dragging the UK back to the stone age. Go on strike, no thanks I'd rather get on with my work.

I think you're in the wrong place. Since when has wanting decent pay, decent pension and job security been Lefty socialist claptrap? You maybe content on being screwed by the bosses, the rest of us aren't.
I get paid nearly £26'000 for a 37 hour week with a decent pension and my job is as secure at the moment as most other employees working for a large organisation trying to stay afloat thanks to Labour's spend spend, borrow borrow..bust way of running a country, it's the 1970's all over again. You honestly think somehow I'm hard done by....lol you've obviously never had to really struggle, what planet are you on, champagne Socialist comes to mind. Oh and I see you left out a reply to my post about how Unison and the PCS joined an IRA march last year in Liverpool? I back our wonderful Armed Forces and would rather my money went to a decent charity like Help For Heroes, not like you suggest to IRA sympathiser Unions like Unison and the PCS.

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