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Post by alihowe » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:07 pm

brianb wrote:You an ex-cop Ali?
Why's that Bri? :wink:
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Post by brianb » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:11 pm

..."Don't forget I have had training with Cuffs, CS and Asp, I know when it would be justified to use them, how to use them etc."

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Post by alihowe » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:16 pm

brianb wrote:..."Don't forget I have had training with Cuffs, CS and Asp, I know when it would be justified to use them, how to use them etc."
Only a short lived one Brian. Was a PCSO for 2.5 years. Joined up as a PC and did 7 months. Never been so unhappy in my life....... long story! Missed the role of PCSO so came back to it........... no regrets, I'm a happy bunny :D
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Post by brianb » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:19 pm

Then you should know that even with PPE you are never totally safe, as mentioned before.

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Post by alihowe » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:21 pm

brianb wrote:Then you should know that even with PPE you are never totally safe, as mentioned before.
I appreciate that. But at times....... something is better then nothing. Would you go out without your kit on then?
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Post by brianb » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:26 pm

Oo-er..

But seriously yes - if the situation required me to do so.

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Post by alihowe » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:29 pm

brianb wrote:Oo-er..
Ohhps, you may get arrested for Outraging Public Decency :shock: ............. lol :lol:
brianb wrote:But seriously yes - if the situation required me to do so.
Would you walk aroun the town on a weekend night with out your kit/PPE on?
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Post by brianb » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:32 pm

As above - if the situation required.

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Post by alihowe » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:41 pm

brianb wrote:As above - if the situation required.
Describe to me........... what situation? :idea:

I mentioned a situation........... FOOT PATROL ON A BUSY WEEKEND NIGHT...........???????????? :?:

Answers on a Postcard please? :P
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Post by brianb » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:50 pm

No you said "Would you walk aroun the town on a weekend night with out your kit/PPE on?"

I have been in a busy (anti-police) pub on a saturday night carrying out my duties with no PPE.

I have been in public order situations where my PPE has been restricted as it might send out the wrong message.

I could go on, but you keep coming up with "what ifs" and by your own admission, you say that you have found yourself in situations where PPE would have been no use to you even if you had it. Does that not prove what I am saying.

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Post by abdi1234 » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:38 am

RE "I appreciate that. But at times....... something is better then nothing. Would you go out without your kit on then?"

I have on a quite a few occasions especially on hot days when the kit would give you away. The only thing you got is a mobile, RIPPA authorisation and a rough idea where your colleagues are.

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Post by mj12cz » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:21 am

brianb wrote:
I have been in a busy (anti-police) pub on a saturday night carrying out my duties with no PPE.
In uniform or plain cloths?
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Post by micky » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:44 am

Ali

If it helps I have patrolled one of the most notorious estates in Britain day in and day out, on may occassions not only did I not have PPE but I didn't have a radio either. As you know throughout my career I never wore a stab proof vest.

I made arrests of the full range of people from murderer to minor public order from major league drug dealers to those with articles to commit crime.

Like most officers I have been duty bound to step in when off duty to make arrests without any communication with another officer and without and equipment whatsoever.

The answer to your question of course I d walk around the town with no PPE.

Police officers especially response officers are routinely sent to calls where people are armed with knives or where there is serious violence. They clearly need the equipment to allow them to intervene.

An SNT officer however even if they stumble across something will usually have the luxury of calling for back up before they intervene. I'm not convinced the case for them to have PPE is as strong. But it is easier for the management to train and equip all officers.

I have yet to see a case put forward for PCSOs to have PPE other than the "just in case" one.
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Post by brianb » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:35 am

mj12cz wrote:
brianb wrote:
I have been in a busy (anti-police) pub on a saturday night carrying out my duties with no PPE.
In uniform or plain cloths?
Both

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Post by mattd » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:43 am

tony wrote: SHOULD BE!!!! SHOULD BE!!! but the point we keep hammering and that people keep avoiding in there arguements is ITS NOT! its all very well quoting from a rule book or a set of instructions but if that dosent match up with whats actually happening then thts when you need to change things. like now...
Dont shout dear, im not deaf.

The vast majority of occasions PCSOs have posted here that they needed PPE have occured, IMO , because they were prepared to act outside their remit. There are a few occasions when acting within the remit PPE would have been required and for those i feel there should be adequate PPE issued.

I simply disagree with the reasons given on many occasions here- lost of these situations could be avoided by sticking to the training and role properly.
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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