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Post by alihowe » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:09 am

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Why not join the Met Jackpot , lots of Essex police have recently although I believe thats got something to do with their new chief.....The Met has a great CPu system, then theres units that deal with robberies, burglaries,domestics etc.. all you have to deal with are drink/drives unless no-one is available to deal!!!!
Lots of Officers who have left to go to the Met are now thinking the grass is not always greener. Don't get me wrong they're not saying the Met was a bad move, but the travelling is killing them!! I also think a lot of them miss serving the community in which they acutally live, you know the ones who have a true passion for the job and are not just waiting for the BACS at the end of the month!!

We're just suffering teething problems at the mo, since Neighbourhood Policing was introduced there doesn't seem to be enough bodies to cope with the workload, but I'm sure it will all sort itself out in the end. People are just a bit stressed right now. We've climbed higher mountains than this though before and reached the top every time. We'll be OK.
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Post by Esox » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:19 am

Alihowe I can imagine those...who live along way out in Essex.It must be a nightmare travelling lonmg distance after a very long day at work.
Do you know why so many are transferring though I've only heard rumors?
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Post by mattd » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:01 am

Esox wrote: Do you know why so many are transferring though I've only heard rumors?
There seems to be a very long running thread on PoliceOracle (running to over 150 pages) about working conditions in EssexPol.

Im not Essex or anywhere near, yet from what i read officers on response shift in Essex are being dumped on left right and center. Hardly any officers on shift, those who are with very short servie, silly targets to meet by the bosses, being rung at home on rest days and being made to give updates on jobs that arent to the satisfaction of some civvie,having to take an MG11 for EVERY job even if there is no evidential value to it nor any prospect of ID`ing an offender (or even if there IS and offender)..................
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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Post by Esox » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:07 am

mattd wrote:
Esox wrote: Do you know why so many are transferring though I've only heard rumors?
There seems to be a very long running thread on PoliceOracle (running to over 150 pages) about working conditions in EssexPol.

Im not Essex or anywhere near, yet from what i read officers on response shift in Essex are being dumped on left right and center. Hardly any officers on shift, those who are with very short servie, silly targets to meet by the bosses, being rung at home on rest days and being made to give updates on jobs that arent to the satisfaction of some civvie,having to take an MG11 for EVERY job even if there is no evidential value to it nor any prospect of ID`ing an offender (or even if there IS and offender)..................
That doiesn't sound too good!! :(
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Post by jimbo » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:14 pm

We've gotsome ex- Espol on our shift and from what they (and their mates) say that topic is about right; Roger Baker seems to be making it a very very difficult place to be a police officer.
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Post by alihowe » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:20 pm

At the end of the day I am a PCSO and not a Police Officer within Essex Police. Like I said earlier there are teething problems with all of the changes, but I truly believe in time everything will sort itself out. We're achieving some really good results so it can't be ALL BAD. We still have many, many dedicated Officers that don't moan all of the time, although it's hard for them right now and they just get on and do the job in hand. Im just glad that we're there (PCSO's) to help out as much as we, be it through collecting CCTV for them or doing the initial Crime Complaint. We help as best as we can, and will go that extra mile to try and lift their workload.
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Post by jimbo » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:51 pm

Ali; I've said it before elsewhere in this forum, I've been told that Essex is in such a state at the moment that it really is the CSOs and SPCs keeping together the whole job.
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Post by alihowe » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:10 am

jimbo wrote:Ali; I've said it before elsewhere in this forum, I've been told that Essex is in such a state at the moment that it really is the CSOs and SPCs keeping together the whole job.
Who knows? :cry:

We can only try our best and hope that this soon sorts itself out. I'm not blaming our CC, but the pressure that's coming from the Gorvnment. I think it's all a number game. I really don't know, all I know is we have a dam good Police Service and are just going through a bumpy ride right now. People seem to keep focusing on this and not on some of the brilliant work that is being achieved and the high rate of detections. We're doing really well, but it's not easy.
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Post by mattd » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:11 am

jimbo wrote:Ali; I've said it before elsewhere in this forum, I've been told that Essex is in such a state at the moment that it really is the CSOs and SPCs keeping together the whole job.
Some of the stuff on the Police Orale thread makes it vey easy to see how moral could get low. Apparently Essexpol officers have to take an MG11 for every job they attend, even if they dont believe the person has anything of evidence to offer and even where they dont believe an offence has taken place :shock:

The example given was being asked to attend Mrs Miggins house, elderly lady living on her own reporting criminal damage to a flower pot. When you arrive she tells you shes been away for 2 weeks and has come back to find her plant pot is broken whist she has been away.There is no other damage, no signs of any entry etc
Theres nothing to suggest anyone has broken it and even she suggests that it may just have fallen over in her garden...yet apparently they are having to take a statement regardless...... :?

I can well imagine that after a couple of weeks day in day out taking MG11s for things that you know are pointless its going to get you down.
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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Post by alihowe » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:19 am

I don't think we should be going on about Essex Police on here, this is not what the thread is about. And I don't want a Police Oracle mark II thanks very much. If you want to discuss this then please don't do it on this thread eh? :roll:
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Post by mattd » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:29 am

alihowe wrote:I don't think we should be going on about Essex Police on here, this is not what the thread is about. And I don't want a Police Oracle mark II thanks very much. If you want to discuss this then please don't do it on this thread eh? :roll:
Im certainly not knocking EssexPol ali, from the Police Oracle thread its pretty clear that there are alot of officers working damn hard to give a good service to the public.
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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Post by alihowe » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:35 am

Not you personally mattd, just in general.

I'm proud to work for Essex Police and when I read it being slated (not on here I must say) it really makes me dissapointed and down. We all work blummin' hard as one big team and YES there have been changes. Some people can move with change and sadly some people can't. I still think in time, things will be tweaked here and there and we'll be back to high moral again. At the end of the day the public are getting an excellent service and isn't that what we're all about?

Right............ back to Crime Complaints?
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Post by jackpot » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:43 am

alihowe wrote:Right............ back to Crime Complaints?
I have one set of shifts to intevesitgate them as I'm off to a specialist unit! Timing or what, just as I was nearing my limit of paperwork its all going now.... :D :wink:
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Post by alihowe » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:16 pm

Lucky you jackpot :lol:

Did your PCSO's help you with your Crime Complaints?

Some people would say this was 'using PCSO's' and this was not in there remit. However if it's helping out their PC colleagues then surely it can only be a good thing?

We don't do the investigation, but we do see if we can get CCTV and do some door to door, so I suppose you could say we do a small bit of the investigation. We usually do this when there's not suspects, anything more then the PC's deal with it and use their experstise.
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Post by jackpot » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:22 pm

BTP PCSO's can take crime reports from shops, MOPs etc.. they can then ring it through and 'crime' it. A lot of PC's do ask PCSO's to go and get CCTV from stations if the invetigating officer is tied up or go and get victim details.

I don't trust or rate a few of them so I personally stick with the same gang who I know to be good and reliable.

Other than that, thats about the extent of which they operate as far as crime reports go.

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