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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:12 pm
by mj12cz
alihowe wrote:I have always been told to go and "sieze" CCTV and that;s what I write in my PNB when I get the person to sign my book. I'm sure the court would understand that I was 'collecting' the CCTV, what's the big deal. Hurt does it? lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

BIG WINK :wink:

oh yer, and a hug :cud: ..... everyone needs one of those from time to time.
LOL well put Ali, To be honest I don't think anyone has ever said No you can not have it... Its just a term we use "Sieze it."

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:24 pm
by shaun o
alihowe wrote:
CIDB wrote:been doing CID105 ( crime complaint forms in essex ) for years mate, Its not big deal mate, just another bit of paper, in our none paperwork role :wink:
Yep, me too. And we do them for anything and everything. We just don't do the further investigation on it, although having said that we do carry out door to door enquiries and view/sieze CCTV etc.
Yep me 2, Essex force!

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:45 pm
by Esox
You are actually only collecting and not seizing as PCSOs don't have the power to seize evidence...however the term Seize is used loosely :D

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:19 pm
by CIDB
Ah, but the result is the same. CCTV ends up at the nick. :wink:

So we could call it what we want as long as the end result is the same :D :D :D :D

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:54 pm
by alihowe
I caress the CCTV............ lol :lol:

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:35 pm
by Lieutenant fatman
I steal the CCTV...
But seriously 'Collect' is the correct term and I would go with saying this myself as there is a big difference between the two. You'll probably get away with using the word seize for the rest of your career but I always say better safe than sorry, and for the sake of one syllable, you might as well.

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:35 pm
by mj12cz
alihowe wrote:I caress the CCTV............ lol :lol:
Oh young lady! :shock: :oops:

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:28 am
by METRO
Hi Gang

I've been 'MIA' for a while, hope you are all ok?

We are doing crime reports for 'Neg' Crimes such as Burglary Other and Criminal Damage-We are not allowed to be tasked by Comms to go and take a crime report, we can only take the report if we are stopped in the street-any 'Pos' line crimes must be dealt with by a police officer in GMP.
With regard to the 'seizure' or 'collection' of CCTV-we do this on a regular basis and we seize the tapes and exhibit the tape and also book it into the property system for allocation to the investigating officer-
It was an interesting point that was made that we don't have the power to 'seize' however for the 'continuity of evidence' there needs to be an audit trail of who has handled that evidence and we exhibit the footage as evidence we have 'seized' or 'collected'.

The audit trail consists of the CCTV operator responsible for putting the tape into the VCR and the Operator who removed it from the VCR (dates & times) and then the operator issuing the tape to the 'collecting' or 'seizing' officer-then the officer who takes the tape back to the station he or she then exhibits this evidence to prove the audit trail of evidence handling. Interesting point though, we may well be doing it wrong? :D :D

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:58 am
by Raven
We do not yet do crime reports and I believe that they will come in to save the PCs time, but it is taking us off the street which I feel is what we were introduced to do.

It seems that across the country the powers widely vary, the uniform changes, the reporting changes and the functionality of the role varies greatly. Is it not time for this to be consolidaed into a more uniform role nationally?

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:06 pm
by mj12cz
Raven wrote:We do not yet do crime reports and I believe that they will come in to save the PCs time, but it is taking us off the street which I feel is what we were introduced to do.

It seems that across the country the powers widely vary, the uniform changes, the reporting changes and the functionality of the role varies greatly. Is it not time for this to be consolidaed into a more uniform role nationally?
Our job is all about contact with the public, not just walking the beat and doing crime reports is all about contacting the public...

I wasn't happy when I was forst told we were going to be doing it, however now I done them i see why we are doing it.

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:05 am
by Raven
So you agree with this then?

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:11 am
by mj12cz
Raven wrote:So you agree with this then?
I do now 100%.

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:43 pm
by Raven
Well I look forward to the training.

Actually I am on the NEW POWERS course now for the MET. Good fun and worthwhile, the trainers are a good bunch too. Which helps

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:58 pm
by Esox
Raven wrote:Well I look forward to the training.

Actually I am on the NEW POWERS course now for the MET. Good fun and worthwhile, the trainers are a good bunch too. Which helps
What new powers exactly are you getting??

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:32 am
by Raven
Power set 3