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Post by Esox » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:20 am

Raven wrote:Power set 3
Whats in powerset 3 though LOL
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Post by alihowe » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:32 pm

Yeah what is that?

How are your Police collegaues reacting to your new powers?
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Post by mj12cz » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:31 pm

Sounds like a menu....

I have a full set of ppe with power of detention and the ability to issue a HORT1... oh yes large fries and a diet coke :lol:

Don't forget the ketchup :lol:
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Post by falkor » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:55 pm

from last month's OFF BEAT (Surrey Police's newspaper!)

Why aren’t PCSOs allowed to update CIS?

I WORK as a Neighbourhood Specialist Officer (NSO) based at Ash Police station and have access to the computer systems.
I can update CIS, go through icads for my area and provide information to officers for crimes on my patch. I also work with two excellent Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) who I would have thought needed to have the same access as I have, but I was shocked to find that they are not allowed to put updates onto CIS. They can view it and see crimes reports for our area and they also carry a CIS workload.
Any updates that need to be placed on the system have to be emailed to an NSO or another police staff member of staff who has update access for them to be placed on. The PCSOs carry a workload which includes Neighbourhood issues and, as with crime reports, these have a timescale and will go overdue if more time is not requested.

Surely as a valued member of the extended police family they should be able to update the reports? If it was a case of them not having the right security clearance, then surely they shouldn’t be able to view CIS or even the intel briefings?
Can someone please explain why they aren’t allowed to update CIS?
PC Neil Middlebrook
NSO Park Barn

I’m very pleased to note the high esteem in which PC Middlebrook holds his PCSO colleagues, sentiments regularly echoed by colleagues across the county. As the PCSO role has developed there has been considerable debate regarding the level of CIS access necessary for them to fulfil their duties.
Firstly it is important to recognise that this is not an issue of ‘security clearance’. All PCSOs are vetted to the same level as the vast majority of police officers and police staff.
It may be helpful to briefly revisit the the evolution of PCSOs. The ‘reassurance gap’ may be familiar to readers. Essentially despite sustained reduction in crime, the public have a disproportionate fear of crime. As a consequence the Police Reform Act, amongst other things, recognised the need to improve police visibility and accessibility in our neighbourhoods to reassure our communities. A key factor in achieving this was providing a consistent presence in those neighbourhoods. This manifested in the arrival of PCSOs.

The primary purpose of PCSOs is to provide a consistent, high visibility presence in our neighbourhoods that increases our accessibility and provides reassurance to the public at a very local level. Recent studies nationally concluded that PCSOs spend on average 40% of their time in police stations. In part this is a consequence of increasing levels of bureaucracy. However it is also indicative of raised expectations regarding the scope and responsibilities of their role.
Limiting access to CIS is one way in which we seek to reduce the administrative burden of PCSOs and promote more time to their primary purpose. That said it is recognised that the role is evolving and the administrative burden on all neighbourhood officers is considerable. The Force is engaged in negotiations with the Home Office to secure flexibility on how the Neighbourhood Policing Fund, the manner in which PCSOs are funded, can be used. These negotiations include proposals to employ Neighbourhood Team Co-ordinators to provide the necessary administrative support.
We hope we will succeed in our endeavour, reducing bureaucracy on front line staff, releasing significant amounts of time for all neighbourhood officers and increasing the level of time available that can be spent tackling neighbourhood issues.
Superintendent Charlie Doyle
Neighbourhood Policing & Partnership

from last month's OFF BEAT (Surrey Police's newspaper!)

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Post by Raven » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:25 am

Power set 3 for me is the power to issue FPND for drinkinng in a designated zone throwing fireworks and trhrowing anything at a railway I aleready had ASB#
Power to stop cyclists, (it is easier to issu=e the FPN hat way)
Power to direct traffic and place road signs
Power to issue local authority FPNs for dog fouling, dog control, littering and graffitti
return of section 59 power to seize vehicles
Power to enforce the designated dispersal areas
power to enforce local bye laws via an EAB

There are other powers but these were the ones the MET chose to designate to its PCSOs
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Post by Esox » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:47 am

s59 seizure of vehicles that cause ADA.............whats going on.....they keep giving us this power then taking it away and now its back LOL :lol:
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Post by mj12cz » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:56 pm

We have section 59 powers... greatest tool in our bag! :lol:
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Post by Big Brother » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:48 am

I have done the odd crime report (c1) as a favour, filled it in then given it to the OIC to check and sign.
As for investigating, we're quite involved when it comes to viewing/collecting CCTV and house to house enquiries, but that's it. During our training we were taught the best ways to obtain descriptions from people.
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Post by alihowe » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:25 pm

This makes interesting reading, however I don't understand some of the MET lingo, it's different in Essex :?

Example:

icads

EAB

FPN hat way


????????????????????????
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Post by falkor » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:53 pm

hi Ali

icads is Surrey speak for CADS which is met speak for the messages created in the control room as a result of phone calls coming in from MOPS (members of the public) or radio transmissions from response units

Raven what the heck is an EAB?? :?: no idea

Ali I think hat way is just a spelling mistake, RAVEN? :twisted: FPN I am sure you know is fixed penalty notice :mrgreen:

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Post by alihowe » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:42 pm

Oh yeah I know the FPN bit, i've issed a few now :wink: Just didn't understand the 'hat' bit :?
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Post by mj12cz » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:32 am

Its an offence to wear you cap at tilt on the back of your head.... havn't a clue :wink:
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Post by mono » Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:19 pm

E.A.B = Evidence, Actions, Book (an I.R.B in old money!!)

You can bet someone got a promotion out of that one... :roll:

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Post by mj12cz » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:12 pm

I take it Pocket note book is out of date.
"Its a mother beautiful bridge and its going to be there"

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Post by Headset 57 » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:28 pm

mj12cz wrote:I take it Pocket note book is out of date.
Yeh, when we go digital later this year on the PDA"s with the pocket printout for PNC checks.
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