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Post by Esox » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:41 pm

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Raven wrote:I actually met one of the system developers in my town one night, he walked up to me slightly drunk and asked me to tell every officer I knew how sorry he was for the system.
I can't tell you how good that makes me feel to hear that! I hate CRIS almost as much as Merlin...
I agree I hated MERLIN more than CRIS....CRIS really isnt that bad
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Post by jackpot » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:45 pm

How do you guys take and log crime reports? We have to take details in our PNB's and then telephone a Crime Recording Centre. Time from receiving the report to getting it logged takes 30 mins +.
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Post by alihowe » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:16 pm

jackpot wrote:It don't matter to me who takes the crime report cos it will end up in my tray anyway regardless. In my experience it's all well and good having our PCSO's out and about finding and detecting stuff, but the likes of me as a PC still has to pick it all up eventually via crime reports/enquires. My work load is immense and I currently have nearly 40 jobs in my tray.

I'm finding now that I'm spending a lot of my time picking up PCSO's work after they've come across something yet I have little time to go out and detect stuff myself as most of my 'free time' is spent in the office dying a death of paperwork. :cry:

I'm not blaming the PCSO's cos they do a fantastic job finding and detecting stuff but I feel the structure that follows thereafter needs to be looked into. I'd say a good 60%, if not more, of my time is spent chugging through paperwork.
You make a valid point here jackpot and this is what I sometimes feel bad about. We're out there like you say 'detecting crime' and then obviously we can't take it any further/investigate. So this has a knock on effect and creates more work for the already overworked PC's! :?

It's a hard one............. we're paid to be out there being the EYES AND EARS for the police, which we do but sometimes I feel awful bringing too much in and feel like I'm merrily gliding around gathering this info and they're (the PC's) getting inundated with more work.

Anyone else feel like this?
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Post by jackpot » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:30 pm

Something will have to change because moral is in its boots in a lot of forces. I always giggle when new starters tell me they joined the police so they are not stuck behind a desk and for variety.... I spend more time behind a desk than I ever did when I worked in an office in the City and I can pretty much predict what I'll be doing weeks in advance.

I envy those forces who have case progression/case building and enquiry teams, I really do. A proper system needs to be put into place to assist PC's - sadly it all comes down to money.
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Post by alihowe » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:40 pm

Yes, I know what you're saying things have got to change for the better for the sanity of the PC's. Some forces seem to have it spot on with the specialist teams taking the workload off the PC's. Is it down to money then, why don't ALL forces follow suit? :idea:
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Post by jackpot » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:57 pm

To be honest I can't see much changing (well for my force anyway). On a training course last year the trainers were informing us that there has been talk about increaing the role of our BTP PCSO's so they can deal with even more jobs - very much like the role of a PC. We inturn as PC's would receive training on higher level investigative stuff and then effectively be a case progression unit and stay in and investigate the work the PCSO's bring in. So in essence, an upgraded and more formal version of what we have now.
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Post by alihowe » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:01 pm

Been told that the in the future PCSO's will be dealing with what you're saying and the PC's will be specialists in other lines. Who knows eh?
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Post by jackpot » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:08 pm

Hopefully I'll be a Supernintendo by then and then I can bring in CSO's to be the eyes and ears for you as you deal with all your paperwork! :lol: :wink:

PS apologies for taking the thread slightly off topic. :oops:
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Post by jimbo » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:56 am

jackpot wrote:How do you guys take and log crime reports? We have to take details in our PNB's and then telephone a Crime Recording Centre. Time from receiving the report to getting it logged takes 30 mins +.
I am soooo jealous at that - I heard that's how BTP did it. We have to PNB it then return to the station and input it manually on to the CRIS system, and then the crimint system, and possibly the merlin system (none of them talk to each other) if a young person or vulnerable person is involved.

Time from receiving the report to getting it logged? Well, we're talking hours not minutes...

I've always wanted to nick someone on BTP's ground simply so that I can crime the report as easily as you lads do.
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Post by Esox » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:59 am

jackpot wrote:To be honest I can't see much changing (well for my force anyway). On a training course last year the trainers were informing us that there has been talk about increaing the role of our BTP PCSO's so they can deal with even more jobs - very much like the role of a PC. We inturn as PC's would receive training on higher level investigative stuff and then effectively be a case progression unit and stay in and investigate the work the PCSO's bring in. So in essence, an upgraded and more formal version of what we have now.
Why not join the Met Jackpot , lots of Essex police have recently although I believe thats got something to do with their new chief.....The Met has a great CPu system, then theres units that deal with robberies, burglaries,domestics etc.. all you have to deal with are drink/drives unless no-one is available to deal!!!!
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Post by Raven » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:37 am

If the systems were correctly integrated then much of the work would disappear. Also the forms that have to filled in with repeated information, even if it is just the date, this all wastes time. When I joined as a PCSO I saw some of the systems that officers deal with and I was amazed at how wasteful and inefficient they are it is stone age technology and it slows the officers down keeping them off the streets.

Whilst the met has all these specialist departments, they too are filled with police officers who spend all their time doing papaerwork.
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Post by mattd » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:00 am

We phone our Crime Reports in from the scene either from the IP`s phone (on a free number) or via the Airwaves handsets- in fairness it is quite good and i can normally do a Crime Report for most offences in under 10mins. I had an affray last week with 3 offenders and 3 victims/witnesses and it took under about 10mins.

Weve recently had a new piece of software which is very good (although i wont name it for obvious reasons) It operates in a Java window but is very much like a standard IE format. You have an enquiry menu and from it you can see who is in custody at each nick at that point, do a previous custody enquiry to get their photo and details(and custody record), do address checks,person checks, vehicle checks, process decison checks.....all very very useful.

Our property management is now online aswell, as is our use of force reporting which does make it easier to fill it. Hopefully all these pieces of software will start to get linked up to cut down on the need to fill in details time and again. If they were all linked it could practically populate your MG1,MG4,MG6`s for you for every file and track any changes.
These are my views and are not representative of the Police service with which i serve....plus most of what i say is pretty useless anyway :-)

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Post by Raven » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:37 pm

SOunds good, I would guess you are not in the Met. We seem to lag behind.
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Post by jackpot » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:44 pm

Esox wrote:Why not join the Met Jackpot , lots of Essex police have recently although I believe thats got something to do with their new chief.....The Met has a great CPu system, then theres units that deal with robberies, burglaries,domestics etc.. all you have to deal with are drink/drives unless no-one is available to deal!!!!
Trust me, I've thought about it a lot and already have my feelers out for a transfer to the Territorial Support Group (TSG) next year.

We used to imput data for crime reports outselves on hand written forms that were faxed off. Our current system is good as you get a crime reference and A/S number right away - only downside is trying to actually get through to the CRC when they are busy.
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Post by Headset 57 » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:38 am

We can phone in to our Crime Recording Centre ( CRC ) and will also be able to PDA it across with an instant crime number to give to the victim and monitor the satus of the job.
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