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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by JimmyRiddle » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:06 pm

GooglyBear wrote:With great power, comes great Responsibility.
Now CSO have powers, they are liable like Police Constables are under P.A.C.E.
I just hope it doesn't lead to loads of court cases and CSO's losing their job for silly reasons.
Like in Osman v DPP (Just because the Officer forgot to identify his name,he got assaulted)
and the Judge found the man NOT GUILTY.
Would PCSO have to write out a 50/90 Form aswel, that is just wasting valuable community time. :slead:
Fair points, but I think this sort of response is too much in the "You're a PCSO - you don't have the knowledge or confidence to be a Con" way of thinking. I know just as many poor PCSOs as I do Cons. And in a way, bad Cons are worse as they're letting more people down as they have greater responsibility and more resources at their disposal.

There's pitfalls within every position when you work for an authority like the Police.

People mention how PCSOs will be eventually sworn in & have their powers gradually increased. I don't think that'll ever happen to the point that we're practically like the police, but if it was - surely it'd be a way of sorting the wheat from the chaff?
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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by oli » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:06 pm

Jimmy_bobby wrote:It's been almost a year since the standard powers have come in and still the CC has not designated them to us. I thought that was the whole point of the new legislation, to stop it being his decision :slwo:
Are the Home Office aware of this? The cheif Con doesnt have a choice he MUST train you up with the powers whether he likes it or not.

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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by JimmyRiddle » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:24 pm

That's happened with our force - he's designated them, but not given training.

If you look on the website as they're current recruiting now - they've completely exaggerated the role by suggesting we've got powers we haven't, thus making those new to the role ready for a huge disappointment!
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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by DaBoY1968 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:25 pm

JimmyRiddle wrote:That's happened with our force - he's designated them, but not given training.

If you look on the website as they're current recruiting now (Merpol) - they've completely exaggerated the role by suggesting we've got powers we haven't, thus making those new to the role ready for a huge disappointment!
I'm on training as a PCS&TO at the moment and It sounds like they're training us up first and then doing everyone else on the drip! I know that the Chief Con is keen to use our full potential and this can't happen without us having our full powers!
I'll have a word with the instructors tomorrow to clarify the situation!

UPDATE 01/04/2009 - I had a word today and it goes like this - "Its still a green paper and until it becomes a white paper, existing PCSO's will not get the training due to cost etc!"
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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by JimmyRiddle » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:57 pm

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Power of arrest for PCSOs for 'as and when' - s24a PACE & common law (i.e. BoP) using s3 CLA 1967

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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by JimmyRiddle » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:18 pm

I haven't looked on the last links, as they are clearly phising/malware?!
Power of arrest for PCSOs for 'as and when' - s24a PACE & common law (i.e. BoP) using s3 CLA 1967

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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by Jimmy_bobby » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:26 pm

DaBoY1968 wrote:
JimmyRiddle wrote:That's happened with our force - he's designated them, but not given training.

If you look on the website as they're current recruiting now (Merpol) - they've completely exaggerated the role by suggesting we've got powers we haven't, thus making those new to the role ready for a huge disappointment!
I'm on training as a PCS&TO at the moment and It sounds like they're training us up first and then doing everyone else on the drip! I know that the Chief Con is keen to use our full potential and this can't happen without us having our full powers!
I'll have a word with the instructors tomorrow to clarify the situation!

UPDATE 01/04/2009 - I had a word today and it goes like this - "Its still a green paper and until it becomes a white paper, existing PCSO's will not get the training due to cost etc!"
Whats still a green paper? The standard powers got royal ascent in 2007...

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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by DaBoY1968 » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:15 am

JimmyRiddle wrote:Merseyside PCSOs - some of the best paid in the country with some of the worst powers! Welcome to Merpol!
Thanks for the welcome! :slhi:
Jimmy_bobby wrote: Whats still a green paper? The standard powers got royal ascent in 2007...
:slwo: I just posted the answer that I got back, when I asked the question!

I know that I've got 20+2 to use at my discression, but I've been lead to believe that some forces don't get the same and its up to the CC ! Maybe I've been given wrong information and I stand to be corrected!
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just found this on PNLD!!!!

Post by falkor » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:34 am

List of 20 standard powers that apply to all PCSOs from 1st December 2007

1 Power to issue fixed penalty notices for cycling on a footpath:
Power of a constable in uniform to give a person a fixed penalty notice
under section 54 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 (fixed penalty notices) in respect of an offence under section 72 of the Highway Act 1835 (riding on a footway) committed by cycling. Paragraph 1(2)(b) of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

2 Power to issue fixed penalty notices for littering: Power of an authorised officer of a litter authority to give a notice under section 88 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 (fixed penalty notices in respect of litter). Paragraph 1(2)(d) of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

3 Power to issue fixed penalty notices in respect of offences under dog control orders: power of an authorised officer of a primary or secondary authority, within the meaning of section 59 of the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005, to give a notice under that section (fixed penalty notices in respect of offences under dog control orders). Paragraph 1(2)(e) of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (see section 62(2) of the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005).

4 Power to require name and address: Power to require the name and address of a person whom a CSO has reason to believe has committed a relevant offence or a relevant licensing offence (Relevant offences are defined under subparagraph 2(6) of Schedule 4 of the Police Reform Act 2002 and include relevant fixed penalty offences under paragraph 1 of Schedule 4, an offence under section 32(2) of the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003 (failure to follow an instruction to disperse) and an offence which appears to have caused injury, alarm or distress to another person or loss of or damage to another person's property. Relevant licensing offence is defined as a specified offence under the Licensing Act 2003) Paragraph 1A enables chief constables to designate the power to require name and address without also designating the power of detention. Paragraph 1A of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by paragraph 2 of Schedule 8 to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005).

5 Power to require name and address for anti-social behaviour: Power of a constable in uniform under section 50 of the Police Reform Act 2002 to require a person whom he has reason to believe to have been acting, or to be acting, in an anti-social manner to give his name and address. Subparagraph 3(2) of Schedule 4 provides the CSO with the power to detain (under subparagraphs 2(3) to (5) of Schedule 4). However, by virtue of paragraph 2(8) of Schedule 4 the power to detain has no effect unless a CSO has been designated with the power of detention under paragraph 2 of Schedule 4. Paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (as amended by paragraph 3(10) of Schedule 8 to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005)

6 Power to require name and address for road traffic offences: Enables CSOs to be designated with the power to require the name and address of a driver or pedestrian who fails to follow the directions of a community support officer or police officer under sections 35 or 37 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Paragraph 3A of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by paragraph 6 of Schedule 8 to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005).

7 Power to require persons drinking in designated places to surrender alcohol: Power to require a person whom a CSO reasonably believes is, or has been, consuming alcohol in a designated public place or intends to do so, to not consume that alcohol and to surrender any alcohol or container for alcohol. Power to dispose of alcohol surrendered. Paragraph 5 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002.

8 Power to require persons aged under 18 to surrender alcohol: Power to require a person who he reasonably suspects is aged under 18 or is or has been supplying alcohol to a person aged under 18 to surrender any alcohol in his possession and to give their name and address. Power to require such a person to surrender sealed containers of alcohol if the CSO has reason to believe that the person is or has been consuming or intends to consume alcohol. Power to dispose of alcohol surrendered. Paragraph 6 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

9 Power to seize tobacco from a person aged under 16 and to dispose of that tobacco. Paragraph 7 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

10 Power to seize drugs and require name and address for possession of drugs: Enables CSOs to be designated with a power to seize unconcealed drugs or drugs found when searching for alcohol, tobacco or other items if the CSO reasonably believes the person is in unlawful possession of them. The CSO must retain the drugs until a constable instructs them what to do with it. If a CSO finds drugs in a person's possession or has reason to believe that a person is in possession of drugs and reasonably believe such possession is unlawful then the CSO may require that persons name and address. Paragraph 7B of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by paragraph 8 of Schedule 8 to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005).

11 Power to enter and search any premises for the purposes of saving life and limb or preventing serious damage to property. Paragraph 8 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

12 Power to seize vehicles used to cause alarm: Power to stop and seize a vehicle which a CSO has reason to believe is being used in a manner which contravenes sections 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving) and is causing alarm, distress or annoyance under section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002. Paragraph 9 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

13 Power to remove abandoned vehicles under regulations made under section 99 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984. A PCSO designated under this paragraph has the power to order the removal of a vehicle under regulation 3 of the Removal and Disposal of Vehicles Regulations 1986. This relates to vehicles that have broken down or been permitted to remain at rest on a road;

(a) in a position, condition or situation causing obstruction or danger to persons using the road, or
(b) in contravention of a prohibition contained in Schedule 1 of the regulations. Paragraph 10 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002.

14 Power to stop cycles: Powers of a constable in uniform to stop a cycle under section 163(2) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 when a CSO has reason to believe that a person has committed the offence of riding on a footpath. Paragraph 11A of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by section 89(3) of the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003)


15 Power to control traffic for purposes other than escorting a load of exceptional dimensions:
Powers to direct traffic (for purposes other than escorting loads of exceptional dimensions) based on the powers constables
have under sections 35 and 37 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. It also gives CSOs the power to direct traffic for the purposes of conducting a traffic survey. CSOs designated under this paragraph must also be designated with powers under paragraph 3A of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act. Paragraph 11B of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by paragraph 10 of Schedule 8 to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005).

16 Power to carry out road checks: Power to carry out a road check which has been authorised by a superintendent (or a police officer of higher rank) and power to stop vehicles for the purposes of carrying out a road check Paragraph 13 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

17 Power to place signs: enables CSOs to be designated with the power of a constable under section 67 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 to place and maintain traffic signs. Paragraph 13A of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by paragraph 11 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.)

18 Power to enforce cordoned areas: under section 36 of the Terrorism Act 2000 Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

19 Power to stop and search in authorised areas: Powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 in authorised areas to stop and search vehicles and pedestrians when in the company and under the supervision of a constable. Paragraph 15 of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002

20 Power to photograph persons away from a police station: enables CSOs to be designated with the power to photograph a person who has been arrested, detained or given a fixed penalty notice away from the police station. Paragraph 15ZA of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002 (inserted by paragraph 12 of Schedule 8 to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005).

END (of list of 20 standard PCSO powers)

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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by steve67 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:49 pm

I believe that we are in line for some more standard powers that are currently going through parliament but not sure what these are.However if the CC's dont want you to have them then they just dont give you the training. :slrnt:

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Post by JimmyRiddle » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:10 pm

DaBoY1968 wrote:I'm on training as a PCS&TO at the moment and It sounds like they're training us up first and then doing everyone else on the drip! I know that the Chief Con is keen to use our full potential and this can't happen without us having our full powers!
I'll have a word with the instructors tomorrow to clarify the situation!

UPDATE 01/04/2009 - I had a word today and it goes like this - "Its still a green paper and until it becomes a white paper, existing PCSO's will not get the training due to cost etc!"
So are you saying the new PCSOs in Merseyside (started around May/June 2009 ish?) have more powers than the rest currently serving? News to me!
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Re: Its what we've all been waiting for - Standard Powers!

Post by douglasd01 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:03 pm

City Of London Police? Does anyone know a list of what they can do?

Would be much appreciated.
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Post by Rekhmire » Sun May 23, 2010 9:49 pm

This is the definitive list of PCSO powers

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/h ... iew=Binary

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Post by ninjamonk » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:11 pm

Hi
Probably setting myself for some abuse here, but what powers would be good to have and i feel that it would be very useful is the stop and search powers, i'm not sure if this has been mentioned on this site before and i hope i'm not stirring up old arguments. also would other pcso's be willing to have more powers and responsibility for the same wage that they are on already ?

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