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Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:05 pm
by falkor
Police overtime faces being cut by more than a quarter over the next six months as the Government attempts to save millions on the £6.2 billion annual police budget, according to a draft White Paper seen by The Times.
December 2, 2009

The paper will outline today the plans alongside long-term proposals for standard police uniforms, body armour and beat cars in England and Wales. It is part of proposals for making huge efficiency savings in back office police support services throughout England and Wales.

The savings from the overtime budget will put the Government on a collision course with rank and file police officers who can substantially increase their earnings with overtime payments.

The Home Office is under pressure to reduce the estimated £480 million spent annually on overtime by the 43 police forces in England and Wales.

A draft of the White Paper — Protecting the Public: Supporting the Police to Succeed — states that over the next six months the Government will “save £70 million on police overtime and £75 million by improving back office support services”.

The draft, seen by The Times, added: “We will deliver better value for money for the public and achieve more frontline delivery through improving business processes, reducing bureaucracy and better deployment, at the same time saving money by reducing overtime.”

The White Paper is a mixture of plans for the run-up to the next general election and long-term policies to be brought in if Labour win.

It outlines plans for standard police uniforms, body armour and beat cars in the future.

All police officers in England and Wales will be required to wear the same uniform if Labour win the next general election, according to the document. A separate distinct national uniform is also to be introduced in the next parliament for police community support officers.

The document said that in the next Parliament we will “adopt a single national uniform for police officers and a distinct national uniform for police community support officers”.

It said that in the next six months the Government will require all police forces to purchase prescribed goods and services from a national procurement framework.

Police forces will also be required to purchase standardised equipment including a standard “beat car” and other police vehicles, the document said.

The aim of greater standardisation is to bring to an end a system under which police forces use different methods to purchase equipment.

A recent report by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary outlined the outdated and chaotic manner in which equipment is currently purchased by forces.

It said that there were two separate processes for the purchase of body armour, with 21 forces supporting one process and 13 forces supporting the other. A further ten forces had not adopted either process.

The report found a similar state of affairs in public order training — 18 forces train with intermediate and round shields, two forces have long and round shields and one force uses all three types of riot shield. The White Paper will also outline plans to allow police to take over responsibility from the Crown Prosecution Service for bringing charges for thousands of minor offences.

The move would leave CPS lawyers to deal with more serious offences while police handled offences that can only be tried by magistrates.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:50 pm
by Big Brother
The overtime thing can't be helped, I can understand the reasoning behind it and if it means jobs are saved then that's a sacrifice we have to make. And it is about time everything else was standardised. 1 combined procurment contract means bulk buying 155,000 uniforms will be a lot cheaper than the current systems. As long as we don't end up with the scruffy c**p the MET wear then I'm happy with it.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:28 pm
by Gforceuk
Another good reason labour need to be ousted..

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:34 pm
by Big Brother
Gforceuk wrote:Another good reason labour need to be ousted..


And you believe the Tories will do a better job? They made an utter hash of it last time around, and looking at the county councils they are currently running to the ground there's no evidence to suggest they'd do any better this time.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:37 pm
by Gforceuk
One thing the conservatives have always done is look after police officers.... And not like labour who bring in alsorts of mad laws and legislation.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:38 pm
by Gforceuk
Big Brother wrote:
Gforceuk wrote:Another good reason labour need to be ousted..


And you believe the Tories will do a better job? They made an utter hash of it last time around, and looking at the county councils they are currently running to the ground there's no evidence to suggest they'd do any better this time.
No idea how you can say that... labour are a mess and have just been creaming the uk's tax money on furnishing their houses ect... a joke. The are gauranteed not to get in.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:42 pm
by Big Brother
Gforceuk wrote:
No idea how you can say that... labour are a mess and have just been creaming the uk's tax money on furnishing their houses ect... a joke. The are gauranteed not to get in.


I recall the tories were the ones who were just as flush with our cash if not more so.

As for looking after cops, rubbish. These cuts will come in regardless of who's in power. Red or Blue in parliament, you're still not going to get your overtime.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:44 pm
by Gforceuk
I think you'll find i'll be fine for overtime cheers... so you can take that smug look off your face.. btp isnt included.. we are funded by the tocs. :slbx: :slbx:

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:33 pm
by overthinker1977
Our overtime (for PCs) has been stopped last week. (PCSO's here don't get overtime anyway just crewed time off - CTO). Although they've stopped CTO as well... :(

Next their looking at putting bobbies on 8 hours shifts.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:00 am
by Big Brother
Gforceuk wrote:I think you'll find i'll be fine for overtime cheers... so you can take that smug look off your face.. btp isnt included.. we are funded by the tocs. :slbx: :slbx:

whatever. Just because you're funded differently doesn't make you immune.

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:29 am
by Gforceuk
Big Brother wrote:
Gforceuk wrote:I think you'll find i'll be fine for overtime cheers... so you can take that smug look off your face.. btp isnt included.. we are funded by the tocs. :slbx: :slbx:

whatever. Just because you're funded differently doesn't make you immune.
Oh very vicki pollard...

I'm afraid it does make us somewhat immune... we are so thinly spread that we got overtime whenever we get an arrest ,,, no one to hand it over too :slby:

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:09 pm
by plum
Guys
You seemed to be missing the point
The government of the UK needs to be saving mega bucks
The amount the UK is in debit is staggering
Regardless of who ends up in power it will need paying back
The Torys may well have the “coppers friend “in the past
But that is not going to pay the bills in the future
Massive cuts in public spending will need to be made over the for years to come
Down load the white paper and have a read
http://www.ukpolicing.info/protecting-the-public.pdf
Some of it makes good sense
Think about it overtime is just that “extra to your basic pay"
Be very grateful that you have a job

What’s wrong with standardising uniforms and cars etc?
If it can save£££
Does it really matter?
Your local MOP is not really going to have much time for
PC, Plod complaining that their over time has been cut
When they have had to except
A lot worst in their employment
The police, the fire service the NHS are all going to have to learn to live with the fact
That NO government has a bottomless pit of cash

If you don’t like it, there is a bloodly long line of people who will do your job

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:29 pm
by Gforceuk
plum wrote:Guys


If you don’t like it, there is a bloodly long line of people who will do your job

I'll bite my lip on that one.. being on the site we are on. lol


and plenty of reasons not to have a national uniform.. they will buy the cheapest.



I wont be grateful that I have this job , I worked hard for it and ive never been out of employment since being 17 ... Everyone is capable of anything...

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:31 am
by Jimmy_bobby
Hmmmmm......good luck to them! I just got home from a 1400-2200 shift, and yes, it is 0224hrs! I would love to “work to rule” but if I went up to a supervisor and said, “Sarge, I’ve just nicked this bloke, he needs processing, interviewing and a full file build, but I’m off in 20 minutes”….He’s gonna be paying me overtime! Otherwise he’s lumbered with the job and there aren’t enough cops to take on other peoples work, that’s why overtime is so high already.

The only good idea is bulk buying uniform and general purpose vehicles. That’ll save a bit of dosh, but getting rid of overtime will just screw up resources with late turn taking over left over jobs from early turn and no-one being available to deal with late turn jobs that come in. Slowing down response times and lowering crime detections etc.

I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but I’m swaying towards the blue corner.....

Re: Police overtime battle looms

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:46 pm
by Headset 57
I stopped reading at( FOREWORD BY THE
HOME SECRETARY
British policing remains the
envy of the world.), mind you it was as far down as page 5!.
BTP L area have said no overtime going for the forseeable.

http://www.polfed.org/Know_your_rights_overtime.pdf
If i incur OT then i have the right to demand payment or Toil as i see fit.

5. Payment/time off in lieu (TOIL)
It’s your choice - not the force’s - whether you take
the overtime as payment or TOIL. If you chose to
take TOIL you must make the decision before the
end of the pay period in which you worked the
overtime.

Police Federation response to Policing White Paper

02 December 2009

Responding to today’s announcement of a policing White Paper, Paul McKeever, Chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, says:


“Today’s White Paper is like the curate’s egg; good in parts. However, it is important that any cuts do not impinge on frontline policing services or public safety. The public cannot pay the price of political decision-making.

“Spending should be curtailed where it makes sense but not to the detriment of the public who rely upon and expect a 24/7 emergency police service. Substantial savings can be made by centralising procurement and this is an issue the Police Federation has been raising with government for some time. Full implications of force mergers must be properly thought through and any change must not impact on service delivery or police officer numbers. With regard to single patrols, there are occasions when single patrolling is suitable and other times when it is not. The safety of police officers is paramount and this must remain a local operational decision and not a political one.

“Where over-time is concerned, we have a job to do. We do not do overtime out of choice, we have a duty to uphold the law. We cannot just walk away from criminals or turn our backs on crimes being committed. The nature of the beast is that officers incur overtime. To drastically cut back is likely to lead to a police service in carnage that cannot deliver. Next the government will try to schedule where and when crime happens.

“It is time that someone tackled this piecemeal approach to changes to policing. Any change to the police service needs to be fully considered, with frontline being the priority. It is also important that sufficient numbers of fully warranted police officers are maintained in order to give the police service the flexibility and resilience required. To that end, in order that we have considered change and not just change for change’s sake and after ten years of asking, we reiterate our long standing call for a Royal Commission. ”