Civilian posts being branded as "CSO"

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Civilian posts being branded as "CSO"

Post by Granty » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 am

Just wondering if any other forces have had this happen to them. It' appears to be a way of harvesting more money from the government in the short term.

Many civilian posts have been re-badged as CSO, so we now have

CSO Reception - Reception staff

CSO Patrol - Slef explanatory, what used to be PCSOs

CSO Neighbourhood Investigation - formerly Custody investigation officers

CSO Neighbourhood Reassurance - formely Offender Managers.

Anyone else seen this happening?

Do you agree with it if it means people get to keep their jobs in the short term?

Is it simply theft of the neighbourhood policing budget as none of the new roles have anything to do with what it was originally set up for?

Discuss. :slbx:

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Post by plum » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:01 pm

I think we both work in the same part of the UK the former CC started down this line useing the ring fenced money to pay for Non PCSO posts

he was sharp pulled into line by the home office , the ringfenced cash is only used for Patrol CSO that why we are not being offerd a pay off
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Post by Granty » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:10 pm

I think you may be right. (check your Pm inbox)

I was told that all non patrol CSOs were going to be made to do the Patrol training to ensure funding from the Government remained?

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Post by xbob89 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:02 pm

Not sure how that can be allowed to work.

If so then why not rebrand every force employee a CSO?
CSO - cleaner....CSO- cook.... CSO -lady who serves the tea....
How about CSO - Police officer?

Kinda undermines the role of the PCSO doesnt it?

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Post by plum » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:02 pm

ts my understanding ( not saying its a fact ) that the other members of the CSO family within the force have not so far ever been used in roles that are not their core roles

I could be wrong on this I am not an expert

I think its more along the lines of say
I cover the front office breaks sometimes if they don't have staff

The front office will do ring backs to help us if they can

I don't really think the custody staff are going to be sent out to man a cordon or CSO patrol officers are going to start acting as jailers

the other thing is we are all on different pay grades

I could be the CSO cook but it would Spam and chips only
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Re: Civilian posts being branded as "CSO"

Post by falkor » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:01 pm

MET POLICE brought in STATION PCSO (SPCSO) 3 years ago at least, possibly even 4 years ago

to justify the "PCSO" part, these officers are supposed to do a paltry 4 hours a month patrol, the remaining 99% of their month is spent at the front counter doing the job that the old SROs (station reception officers) used to do before they were effectively abolished :slhuh:

many SROs were told, become PCSOs or shift to another job :slwo: now the MET has 1% of SROs left and 99% PCSOs in place, so they are happy as the ringfenced cash mentioned above pays all their wages and the MET have no SROs to pay, everyone's a winner :slch2:

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Post by PI & GI » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:20 am

plum wrote:ts my understanding ( not saying its a fact ) that the other members of the CSO family within the force have not so far ever been used in roles that are not their core roles

I could be wrong on this I am not an expert

I think its more along the lines of say
I cover the front office breaks sometimes if they don't have staff

The front office will do ring backs to help us if they can

I don't really think the custody staff are going to be sent out to man a cordon or CSO patrol officers are going to start acting as jailers

the other thing is we are all on different pay grades

I could be the CSO cook but it would Spam and chips only

spam and chips! probably from nettos or cost co lol
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Post by PI & GI » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:21 am

i dont agree though, our PCSO role should NOT be deviated from what the core role is, yes we all know most of our forces use us as and when it suits to do police officer jobs and that i dont think will ever change but our role should be title protected as its unique and specialist.
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Post by steve999 » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:33 pm

PI & GI wrote:i dont agree though, our PCSO role should NOT be deviated from what the core role is, yes we all know most of our forces use us as and when it suits to do police officer jobs and that i dont think will ever change but our role should be title protected as its unique and specialist.
The PCSO job is not unique & specialist, it is basic policing at it's best.

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Post by Arthur ASCII » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:45 pm

steve999 wrote:The PCSO job is not unique & specialist, it is basic policing at it's best.
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Re: Civilian posts being branded as "CSO"

Post by PC50 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:28 pm

I agree, PCSO's should not be removed from the front line and by "front line" I of course mean the actual front line of the streets. There are suitable roles to fill the other needs, front desks for example should be staffed by front desk assistants, Custody should be left to the correctly trained detention officers etc etc... These 'roles' are obviously just created to fill posts without cost, The Government should really clamp down of the misuse of PCSO's but of course once the last ring fencing is up, they won't need to...

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Post by Victor » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:43 pm

xbob89 wrote:Not sure how that can be allowed to work.

If so then why not rebrand every force employee a CSO?
CSO - cleaner....CSO- cook.... CSO -lady who serves the tea....
How about CSO - Police officer?

Kinda undermines the role of the PCSO doesnt it?
We got a PCSO tea club manager in our team! :?

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Re: Civilian posts being branded as "CSO"

Post by Catweazle » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:55 pm

We have a PCSO Trainee Assistant Tea Club Manager in our team :sljo:
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Re: Civilian posts being branded as "CSO"

Post by Trifella » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:50 pm

Hi Ive just posted this to the Front door thread, but the noted this thread, so posting here too as may be more relevant here..

Title was PCSO to CSO
Hi,

Just asking, im about to start with my local force as a PCSO, (Well thats what I thought), and I was measured up for all my uniform at Headquarters, and the storeman told me that under home office guidlines they have removed all reference to "Police Support.." from any badges, eppaulettes etc on uniforms.

My Post profile and contract states "Police Community Support Oficer", but all my insignia has changed just to "Community Support" and even Warden.

Not sure if my job will change or not, my job profile and contract sent by HR is that of what you would expect of a PCSO, but it does say Job and rsponsibilities may vary according to natural evolvement of department.

I just dont want to end up as a Community Warden all of a sudden, I was attracted to the job as it was assisting and working with Police Oficers and for the local Police force in improving the quality of life within the community. I didnt really want to do this as a local authority warden (No offence to them), if they are slowing pushing us this way. Ive been told in my area as they are closing some police stations that we could be working from Town Halls and other public buildings. This kinda all fits into place.

Im attracted to the role for what it is, im not a wannabe Police Officer (Ive actually been a Constable and dont want to go back to that), but I wanted to be a PCSO as a Civilian employee of the Force area, not an independant community warden.

I spoke to HR, but as usual they can neither confirm nor deny anything.

Of course I may have got this all wrong and my thinking may well have gone out of control on the loomy side. Has anyone else been told anything similar or know anything that confirms or denys the fate of PCSO's ?

Thanks

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